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Hello, hello and welcome to Dancing with Dragons, your go-to podcast for everything related to George R R Martin's world of A Song of Ice and Fire. I'm one of your hosts, minua. I'm joined here, as always, by my co-host, tony, and tonight we're continuing to dive deep into Westeros and beyond, after re-watching and recapping Game of Thrones Season 3 episode by episode. Check that out, if you haven't. We're here to update you on Westerosi news and keep you up to date with the current state of George's world on screen. We've got the latest on House of the Dragon, season 3, we'll venture into the world of the new upcoming show A Night of the Seven Kingdoms, aka Dunk and Egg, aka Duncan Egg, and we'll be seeing what the Game of Thrones alumni cast are up to and what they have to say since the show ended. It's such a chill episode today, so sit back and relax while we update you on what's happening in Westeros. Before we get started, though, how are you, tony? How are you doing?
Speaker 2:Hello, there, I'm doing well. It feels odd and kind of nice that I didn't have to watch an episode Actually. No, I'll take that back. I'm relieved I don't have to watch an episode actually. No, I'll take that back. I'm relieved I don't have to write and all this uh, research, but then again I'm gonna miss it, because I love re-watching season three. But no, it's nice to talk about other things other than, um, game of thrones.
Speaker 2:Uh, we did every single episode, like you said, but for this episode, I thought we would just start talking about what we missed in the last few months of us just, you know, focusing on season three of Game of Thrones. You know, it's nice because it feels like there's so much news that's popping out and we try to instill it in our episodes, but then our episodes are going to be too long, or like we don't want our episodes to be too long. People will not listen. You know what I mean. So it's kind of a catch-22. We don't want our episodes to be too long. People will not listen. You know what I mean. So it's kind of a catch-22. So we decided to. You know what, let's do one episode that we can just catch up with. What do you want to start with?
Speaker 1:Actually, tony, it's funny that you say that because I was planning on starting with another point or another topic, but I think that right before we recorded, or not long before we started, george just posted something on his blog. So about a month ago, seattle Worldcon was taking place and George RR Martin was there on a panel with other fancy writers, among them Brandon Sanderson. If you've been keeping up with all the like fancy George Winter Winter drama, you probably know where this is going if you haven't heard this piece of news before. So, as expected, a fan kind of rudely came up during their Q&A segment and asked George to his face since you're not going to be around for much longer, is there any possibility of Brandon Sanderson finishing Wounds of Winter for you? And it's kind of unbelievable that he said that to George's face.
Speaker 1:It's so disrespectful because this is just something people talk about online. You know someone saying, oh, what if this happened because of george? That I know george possibly not being around and but to bring it up to his face, it's incredibly disrespectful because you know he's a writer. He he just not too long ago posted a blog post about how much he loves and care for these characters and I think he said something like don't ask me about it yeah uh, any longer.
Speaker 1:Like in this way I don't say don't, nag, but he was saying like don't think that I don't have love for these characters because Winds of Winter isn't out yet. Like I love them and I care for them. And he mentioned Danny as well, which is why I remember it so clearly. He's like I love Daenerys and Danny. It's just it's heartbreaking that that's happened and it's really disrespectful. I happened and it's really disrespectful. I'm sorry that george had to go through that. The crowd immediately booed the person as they should. Uh, the panelists defend george r martin, and then they just ended the session very quickly. Um, and you know, this isn't the first time that someone disrespects george he's he just gets these comments all the time.
Speaker 1:It's a reoccurring issue within the fandom and there are so many reoccurring issues in the game of thrones fandom something we'll talk about again in this episode with another person in george's world or in the game of thrones universe.
Speaker 2:It's sad and it's entitlement yeah people are just so entitled that they think they could just spew and say anything they want without any kind of repercussions. And this man has devoted 30 yeah, it's going to be 30 plus years since, uh, the first book came out. I, I think the first novel was 96. So next year will be the 30th anniversary. He's trying to build his legacy by doing other projects and is he supposed to just drop it? You know we always kid about him and you know, hurry up. It's been 12 or 13, 14 years. Force him to do something he doesn't want. I mean, it's probably because we've said it here many times he probably has writer's block. There's a few storylines that he created. That is probably hard now. And now, with the show ending, he probably feels more pressure. I think if there was no show, obviously he would have just finished the books, but with the show ending maybe he's like well, maybe people don't want Bran as king. I'll have to figure something out. What do I need to do?
Speaker 2:There's other deaths in the novels that he said that he's regretted. I think I forgot who it was. Was it Aemon, mr Aemon?
Speaker 1:Let me look that up real quick.
Speaker 2:Okay, he looked that up. I want to see Winds of winter, but then again I'm like you know what f these people and this is. And then, of course, this is the minuscule percentage of people who think that way who would have the gall to say, well, you're gonna die, so hurry up. And I, it's getting me upset, let's go to the next, next thing yeah, it's so insensitive and I think that's actually.
Speaker 1:it wasn't confirmed who George regrets killing. People were speculating about it online. It's widely believed to be Mr Eamon. It's believed that George regrets killing this person because he realized that he needs them in order to progress the story. But, yeah, everybody thinks that it's Eamon. Someone says says I think it's Eamon as he's an exposition gold mine, but others theorize that it could also be Kevin Lannister or Pycelle spoiler alert for you.
Speaker 1:He dies in the show but yeah, so that's just like a sad update, kind of related to George. We will talk about him again in this episode because I just wanted to bring that up right now as the host of this podcast that revolves around George and his work. Obviously this is a message from me and Tony that we would love if our we know that our listeners are cool and would never do something like that. But I just wanted to say you know, like, don't forget to treat George with respect, the poor guy. So let's move on to what you're probably waiting for and I guess a happier maybe happier update, maybe not and that's updates on house of the dragon season three. So filming is about to wrap up. If you're listening to this podcast at the time of its release, they've actually started in april, so it's kind of a long filming process. I think it's took up most of the year and livia cook has said that it's actually ridiculous and has a lot of practical, huge stunt work I'm sorry, I don't want to say that.
Speaker 2:She's like a media blitz. Now she has that new show on Amazon Prime. So obviously when she does all these junkets press junkets all they're going to ask her is like how's?
Speaker 1:the dragon. How's the dragon?
Speaker 2:The one thing I'm most excited about. This came out a few weeks ago and it was confirmed by Ryan Condos that we're going to open season three with the Battle of the Gullet, which I speculated and we've talked about. You know they shortened season two by two episodes and we knew, okay, the finale of season two didn't feel like a finale, it felt like a lead up. We could feel the preparation of warrants in the finale because the Battle of the Gullet was supposed to be the penultimate episode of of season two which would have been oh, all is forgiven.
Speaker 2:This is an incredible episode. You know, season two is great, uh, and then season season 10, season two, finale episode 10. We had that. It would have been kind of like a build up to the next one. So, to have this straight up, I'm assuming this, this one, this episode, was going to have to be more than an hour. Um, should be. It's gonna rock people's world, so that's all I'll say. I'm not gonna speculate and say, oh, it's remember, we kept talking about sun for a sun and we'll see what they do with it, because, yeah, we've read the book, but they can change whatever they want. So we're going to go into it as new viewers as well, because we might see something that we're not expecting, like, uh, renera and allison hooking up uh, not hooking up, but like talking at the end because they never talk again in the in the book.
Speaker 2:So but anyway, that that's the one thing I'm most excited about when it comes to the House of the Dragons. Season three news.
Speaker 1:I don't know if this is what you were getting at, but Olivia Cooke did confirm that season two was literally supposed to have episodes one and two of episodes one and two of season two were supposed to be the last two episodes of season two, so I wish they should have. I wish they were, it would have worked really well.
Speaker 2:And speaking of that, I will actually, actually, yeah, I will say that. I said that when we were on fellowship with the Mike podcast, I said I think the girl that was was supposed to be. Yeah, I said it first. So, Olivia, you did.
Speaker 1:I'll give you credits. I remember you saying that, I remember. But speaking of the Alison's Rhaenyra agreement, Olivia Cook did talk about that as well. She said Alison has made a bargain at the end of season two so she's desperately trying to enact that. I mean it's huge. The season is huge. Every single penny has gone on the screen. So I know it leaves us a bit worried, right? Because, as you said, this is so far from what's happening in the book.
Speaker 1:So she's desperately trying to enact that. I don't know what we're going to see from Alison this season.
Speaker 2:I don't think that much, because when you see the we don't really hear about Alison.
Speaker 1:until you know future events, I'll say but then again there's also like a leaked photo from the set. I don't know if you've heard about that from the post-production work and I don't know if I should be talking about that, but they said that someone on the team accidentally posted something while they were editing or filming.
Speaker 2:Did you see it? It?
Speaker 1:was a monitor. I saw it.
Speaker 2:Oh, here you go. We're going to say spoiler alert.
Speaker 1:Should I, or should I just?
Speaker 2:no, no, no. Well, okay, so I'll say spoiler and I'll count to three and then I'll put the time stamps on the episodes and you can go back and forward all right, or just click the, click the forward 30 seconds or 10 seconds yeah yeah, on your, on your podcast app okay, so I'll say spoiler one, one, two, three and then go.
Speaker 1:Okay, so the shot looked to be Runear and Alicent in the keep In like the queen slash king's quarters, like in the ruler's quarters.
Speaker 2:Okay, so why the? Heck would Rhaenyra be there? That's my okay why, is she there?
Speaker 1:Yeah, oh, my God, or why is Alicent there? I don't know Like it's. You know what I mean, because I don't know, okay so spoiler alert this is a spoiler section.
Speaker 2:Is this when Rhaenyra and everybody take over King's Landing?
Speaker 1:Supposedly.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 1:Alicent was with her in her room.
Speaker 2:Okay. So is she going to be like okay, go away, you know, go to Essos and pick oranges?
Speaker 1:I don't know the person deleted the photo shortly after, so it's floating around now if you want to go and see. It's just a quick photo, but yeah, that's what it is.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I don't remember when reading the, the book of, they have any interactions. Okay, this is still spoiler. No, I don't think so of um renera and allison. Once you know renera is um crown queen in king's landing um. So yeah, I anyway, yeah, I'm pretty sure they're going to figure a way out to keep these two together in the storyline, because we love these two yeah yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:They're going to figure out a way to like tweak the story. That way they're always on screen together. The ultimate thing was to change the thing entirely and be like oh she, now she's on reneur's side, which, no, you can't do that, because again, we complain about the book and the show, but remember that allison is like 10 years older than her. They never really had a relationship, they were never best friends, uh, so they didn't really have that connection. But in the, in the show, they have great chemistry, these actors. So anyway, yeah, that's the one thing I'm going to be afraid of. They're going to tweak it. So they're either collaborating together or they're Rhaenyra. Now, every episode, rhaenyra's going to be constantly. Oh, what should? I do Not have the killer instinct, you know.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:She's going to be thinking about house and all the time.
Speaker 1:Anyway, all right, sorry I come in the same boat. Come on like I agree with you. But there's also something else that makes me like a bit confused or weary and I don't know, I guess, worried about season three. There's another report about season three that says that there's going to be a character-driven conceptual episode outside of the structure of the show. So I'm guessing you remember how we said that season two should have had one episode just on Damon and Harrenhal. It should have been Damon and Harrenhal, luigi's Mansion type of stuff, all the nightmares in one episode, and then that's it. I think that that's what they are going to do for season three. But at the same time, do we have time? Who do we have time? Who do we think it's going to be? Is this necessary? I I don't think it's. Considering what's going to happen in season three, I don't think that there's time for this. Like, what are they going?
Speaker 2:to do? If it doesn't, if it has nothing to do with the story, if it doesn't move the story along, then then it's going to be the most hated episode. Uh, if it was a 20 episode season, then people were like, okay, that was kind of quirky, but I like it yeah, it's gonna work.
Speaker 1:You're like, if they had time, if they, even if it was 10 episodes would have been fine.
Speaker 2:But but yeah, when you have eight and you have so much to cover, because right now the other report says that, uh, season three is gonna have four major events from fire and blood yeah so you have four major events with eight episodes. That means it's going to be moving quickly, and then you're going to pause it to go on a scavenger hunt or something with a character. They didn't say the character, right?
Speaker 1:No, no, they didn't say.
Speaker 2:Unless it's like the Starks or something.
Speaker 1:I don't know, but it worries me. We'll see if that report turns out to be true, because obviously it doesn't.
Speaker 2:It's not, didn't come from hb themselves, so we have to wait and see um the one thing I saw about olivia cook I was sorry that I kind of found funny, but it's not funny is that she said she slapped tom glenn carney so hard that it made him cry. Did you see that?
Speaker 1:Oh, really, no, I didn't see that.
Speaker 2:She said she was doing an interview and said I walloped him. I don't know my own strength. It was a slap that resonated across the land. It made him cry. I mean that was the reaction that he'd wanted for the camera, but it felt awful.
Speaker 1:Oh no.
Speaker 2:One thing she slapped him. Well, beginning of season two. I don't remember if we saw that on camera. I don't think so.
Speaker 1:Imagine he cried for nothing. She actually slaps him. I just looked that up quickly. When he assaults the girl, her name's Diana. We see that. Oh yeah yeah, Season one's Diana, we see that.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, season one, you're right. Yeah, yeah, gotcha.
Speaker 1:And speaking of Olivia Cooke, as you said, she's going on a press tour now for her new series on Amazon Prime. It's called the Girlfriend. She's been talking about House of the Dragon a lot, and something that she said about Alison was that she says that she feels protective of her and she has to be empathetic and she feels sorry for her. And she says, and I quote I feel she's grown up into this patriarchal system and she's been brainwashed by her father to honour this lineage and obviously I think that's something that's always been forgotten or like ignored or dismissed about Alicent and her storyline and her arc. So I think it's just important that it's brought up. Even though Alison isn't necessarily lovable, it's important to be empathetic, I think, with her character and to keep this in mind whenever talking about her.
Speaker 1:But speaking of the fans and how they're talking about Alison, she says something else about the fans as well, and she says some of the fans have been horrible to our cast. It makes me really angry that we're then supposed to just bow down and pay obeisance to these people that only want to say the most debased, hate-filled things. But thankfully, thankfully, we've all experienced it in our own way and we've got each other, which doesn't make it right. I think it's the huge emotions. There's also been really wonderful interactions and I'm so glad that emma gets as much love as they do as well, because they're fantastic and such a beautiful, wonderful human as well. Matt's not a stranger to the fury of fandom, so he takes it on the chin, he holds himself in a really lovely way where he doesn't let it stick to him.
Speaker 2:It's hard to be somebody famous and doing, involved in this kind of IP. I guess because you know, we saw, we saw with the new Star Wars movies how many of them deactivated their socials because they couldn't they couldn't even like, put a random picture of saying, oh, I'm having a cup of tea, and then the comments oh you suck, you suck, you, blah, blah, blah. Say it with Bella Ramsey, and it's just, which is so frustrating, because we know that more people are not like that, like the majority are not like that, but the ones who are are the loudest.
Speaker 1:You know us being like the real fans. We know that they aren't talking about us as well. You know, like it's kind of unsaid understanding that they are talking about those people that are vile on the internet and like hide behind anonymous. You know masks and you're not a real fan. Honestly, if you're the type of person that says those things, you can be allowed to criticize without being hateful, loud and vile on the internet.
Speaker 2:hateful, loud and vile on the internet.
Speaker 1:You know what I mean. That's not being an adult, let alone a fan. So, yeah, I'm glad that she said something. It's about time, honestly. And that brings me to an update or, I guess, a comment made by one of our Game of Thrones actors on a similar topic. Someone who I also gave an interview recently is Nikolai Kosterwalder, who plays Jaime Lannister, and he was talking about the backlash to Game of Thrones season 8. He said it was expected. How are you ever going to make an end that's going to satisfy everyone? That's a very difficult thing. I absolutely think people are entitled to whatever opinion they have, but it's a television show. Someone told you a story and you didn't like the ending. It's really annoying. But and then he just shrugs. Honestly, that's a very nice and concise way of saying it. Yeah, you're going to be annoyed, but that's life. You know, nothing is perfect. You know no one is always going to be happy.
Speaker 2:You can't satisfy everybody, even if something to you is 10 out of 10 perfect movie, series, book. To another person it's not going to be the same way, and he's probably not. I mean, he probably said it nicely, but these actors are probably annoyed and tired of being asked about season eight. The show was a phenomenon for seven seasons. I mean, it was must-see television. Nobody waited till the next day. You know how the shows now start. Oh, I'll watch it. No, everybody had to watch live because they didn't want to get spoiled. And then it comes to this. It's kind of like the Sopranos actors your thoughts on the last scene, on the last moment. They've probably been hearing that for 15 plus years yeah yeah, yeah and I get it.
Speaker 2:That's a good response. Even if it was perfect, you still would have had a little faction of people saying that sucked. Nothing has 100% approval Nothing.
Speaker 1:So I like that you just said it in that way because it's very direct. You know, there's this something that I remember hearing when I was younger and it kind of never left me, which is a stupid quote, but it makes sense, you know. It says something like life isn't Burger King, you can't always have it your way. It's so stupid, but I think about it often whenever it's like, yeah, I just have to give up and be like yeah, true, it's not my way, but maybe this thing is.
Speaker 2:This is an actor who is responding to these questions gracefully and he could have been the one to be like yeah, man, that sucked.
Speaker 2:My arc was so amazing and they just yeah him, you're right you know he could have been like disgruntled and be like oh these people, I swear yeah, true we've seen a lot of news regarding the cast of game of thrones and with nicolai, he's doing a show called the king and the conqueror, which he William the Conqueror. I haven't seen it yet and somebody asked him a question that said how does it feel you're putting armor back on? Does it remind you of Game of Thrones? He goes well, not really. It's a whole different show, different storylines, but I did notice that my armor had some lions on it.
Speaker 1:Oh really.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Oh, that's so cool some more news with the cast we have, which is kind of fun. I saw a lot of people um doing like voice acting for audiobooks and then I saw this big thing on the westerosi page on instagram that they put out um game of thrones actors doing the har Potter audiobook series. So Kit Carrington is going to play Professor Lockhart, mark Addy is going to be Rubeus Haggard, gemma Whelan, who played Yara on the show, yara Greyjoy is going to be Professor Sprout, ewan Rian is going to play Professor Lupin. So it's going to be kind of nice to listen to the the book with familiar voices from game of thrones. We're like john snow, what are you doing? You're teaching a class now. Well, which is kind of weird because professor lockhart is kind of a doofus yeah, that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1:Like george, george john has, john kit kit has a very specific accent. I immediately recognized his voice. I don't know if I was watching once or I heard his voice somewhere. I was like I know that voice. It turned out to be him. I'm so curious.
Speaker 2:Yeah, because Lockhart is annoyingly charming in a weird way. He's so full of himself.
Speaker 1:And there's one more really cool thing that the actors in both Game of Thrones and House of the Dragon have done recently, which is that they joined the list of over 3,900 actors and filmmakers that have signed a pledge stating that they will refuse to work with Israeli companies that are implicit in the genocide and apartheid against Palestinian people. The list includes Emma Darcy, who plays Rhaenyra, olivia Cooke, aka Alicent, lena Headey, cersei. Liam Cunningham, who plays Ser Davos he's on the boat, I think, going over there. He's a great activist for this cause, which is amazing and Clarice Van Houten plays Merisandra and Indira Varma plays Ellaria, and Tom Glyncarnie, who plays Aegon, and I think that's really cool of them. It's really cool of them to do so. Glad to see that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's something that you don't see, a lot People putting their careers on the line.
Speaker 1:No, no, and the fact that they're all working actors is very important as well. They can't do Game of Thrones without, or House of the Dragons sorry, without Emma or Olivia, so it's really cool that they did that and used their voices for good, especially Alim Cunningham and what he's doing. It's amazing, yeah, so I'm really glad that they did that.
Speaker 2:Well, let's move on to Sophie Turner, another Game of Thrones alumni. Big news for her she's officially cast to play Lara Croft Is that a show or a movie? Let me look it up, Okay look it up, we'll wait for her.
Speaker 1:You see those podcasts that they have people in the background looking up stuff. That's me, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:Or, like you know, in the movies, whenever there's like someone's like I'm going to pull it up and you know like that, like the hackers and stuff, and movies and tv shows. Yeah, um, it's a prime video tv series. Okay, it was funny. I, I thought the girlfriend thing with olivia cook was a show or was a movie and I go let me check it out and go wait a minute. This is season one or series. Yeah, oh, okay, sophie turner is doing some media stuff as well and she recently said in a magazine called Flaunt they asked her about controversial scene in season five with Ramsey wedding scene. She said I did feel, and still do, that Game of Thrones shown a light on things that many people were like oh God, you can't show that kind of things, and I understand it can be triggering. I totally understand. That's the point of view. She told the publication, this Flock magazine Um, should I keep going or do you want to?
Speaker 1:You can. I wasn't going to interrupt the quotes. I was going to let you say the whole thing and then I can talk. Or do you want me to say something on that first?
Speaker 2:I just had a thing about. I can say one more quote and then you can just jump in and this is like a few quotes. She also then said but I do feel we were actually doing a lot of justice to women and the fight women have to fight for hundreds and thousands of years. She continued the patriarchy, being treated as objects and being consistently sexually assaulted. I don't think there's one woman I know who hasn't had a form of that.
Speaker 1:I actually found a longer version of the quote to where she continues and says I think if Game of Thrones came out today we'd definitely put some trigger warnings on there. But I'm really proud to have been a part of Game of Thrones, where they didn't shy away from showing atrocities that happened to women back then. I feel proud to have been a part of the conversation. So it's a bit of a repetition of what you said, what was earlier on in the quote, but I think it's interesting because you know it's something that's always been criticized and about game of thrones, the scene that's always been said that we we wish what was erased from the show right, we even said that on the podcast. Um, and honestly I have like kind of mixed feelings towards it because whenever there's a scene showing something like that on screen, some people are saying you should show horrific acts in order for that horror to sit with you. You know what I mean, like as kind of what Sophie's saying here, for you to see kind of the patriarchy or how women were treated, and it kind of has a, it can leave an impact. You know there's this argument that cinema and what's on screen doesn't always have to be pleasant, you should watch these very uncomfortable scenes. There's this argument that cinema and what's on screen doesn't always have to be pleasant. You should watch these very uncomfortable scenes because there's a different kind of power within them. But then you also have another party that says but you should never see this because it's like exploitation, and I don't really know how I feel about it.
Speaker 1:I still think that it's a really hard watch, but I respect what Sophie's saying and I do think that, like, like I see, I see it. You know, like I see both arguments, I'm not, I don't really have a very strong. I don't lean one way or the other when it comes to this. So I think that was a very hard watch for me personally when I saw it. Of course, I think that's especially since it's something that's not in the books. I would never wish that for Sansa. I wish it didn't happen, because we do see this in other aspects of Game of Thrones. You know, we see it with Dany, we see it in so many other different ways. We see it with Alicent the dragon too. But I just, yeah, I understand. I guess it's just that for me it was too hard of a watch.
Speaker 1:I want to add that Ewan Rian, who plays ramsay he he described filming that scene as the worst day of his career oh yeah, he said, I never thought about him actually when it came to that scene, like I was too busy focusing on sophia, thinking about her and sansa that I never even considered what he wouldn't.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah he said this five years ago in a magazine called Metro. He said that was horrible. Talking about the scene Quote nobody wanted to be there, nobody wanted to do that. But if it's telling the story when you have to tell it truthfully. It was a horrible, horrible day. This is something that we shouldn't even have to worry about, because it's something that shouldn't exist in the world, but unfortunately it does. I, I can't imagine being on that show, especially with that crew. Who's growing up with sophie turner yeah, you know you know.
Speaker 2:And then all of a sudden you see that I'm sure it was pretty triggering, one of those things that in the novel she never goes back to, when she's still in the veil, I think, little finger still wanting to do something with her in the veil. So, yeah, that's one of those story arcs that I really, really hate that they changed from the book because we didn't really need to see that. But then again, how, how do you have the veil? I don't know. I'll keep my speculations and my thoughts on that when we get to it, because I have too much to say and this will be a two-hour podcast.
Speaker 1:Well, now that we've discussed both Game of Thrones and House of the Dragon, it's time to look to the future and Annihilate the Seven Kingdoms. Annihilate the Seven Kingdoms is the new upcoming spinoff show from the world of Song of Ice and Fire and George's Universe and, just as a refresher, in case you need the reminder, it's based on a collection of short stories, aka the Tales of Duncan Egg, novellas written by George RR Martin, of course, and they all follow a knight known as Sir Duncan the Tall, aka Dunk and his squire Egg, as they wander and travel through Westeros during the Targaryen dynasty.
Speaker 1:That being said, the show will be set between the events of House of the Dragon and Game of Thrones, so after House of the Dragon but, 100 years before the events of Game of Thrones and hearing that premise of the show, you can, or should, already guess that this will be different House of the Dragon and Game of Thrones. It'll be more intimate, without heavy focus on the noble houses. There are no dragons. It's almost like you just pick two semi-background characters in Westeros and are following them. At least that's how it should feel like, I think, for season one, because obviously by season two there'll be the main characters and things will pick up. Also, unlike the other shows, it's been reported that the episodes will be less than 40 minutes long, which is insane because I wouldn't really expect that kind of Game of Thrones show. But it'll be interesting to see. There are three novellas in total and there will be one season per novella.
Speaker 1:Seasons two and three, I believe, are already confirmed for the show and will be filmed back to back, with production set to begin in the spring of 2022. We've gotten first looks at the show, we've gotten a few photos, but we've yet to receive a proper trailer. We're expecting one soon. There will be a panel on the show at New York Comic Con on October 9th, with George RR Martin scheduled to be in attendance as well as the show's stars Peter Claffey, who plays plays Dunk Dexter, saul Ansell plays Ek, and showrunner Ira Parker. If a trailer is released, then expect an episode on us from that. We would love to dissect it and talk about it.
Speaker 1:The show is actually originally scheduled to be released now.
Speaker 1:Actually I believe it was supposed to be airing right now. We kind of planned our podcast with that in mind, but unfortunately it got delayed to early winter 2026, so we're expecting a january or february premiere date for the show. We talked about this in the past as well. It was worrying to me and, I think, some other fans, that the show was delayed until then, because sometimes not all the time shows and movies that get released around that time are projects that the studios don't really have faith in. They kind of just dump it in january and february. You reminded me that that's not a guarantee, um, and it's reassuring that seasons two and three are at least already confirmed and that George R R Martin is still on as an executive producer and he doesn't seem to have any problems with the showrunners or how they're adapting the story just yet, like he has nothing but good things to say about them which is a good thing, because House of the Dragon, of course, did eventually turn into a bit of it.
Speaker 1:There was some drama there. We're going to have a night of the seven kingdoms beginning of the year and then House of the dragon, likely after the summer. So yeah, you mentioned something where it's like, um, now that we covered season three, we finished it and we're kind of just like, uh, taking it easy. It's like this is the calm before the storm yeah, yeah, yeah this is the calm before the storm.
Speaker 2:That's 2026 when it comes to game of thrones and george's world, so this would be a fun year, and we hope that you're descending along yeah, the one thing the one uh little pushback I saw was that people were kind of scratching their heads and and upset that the episodes would be 30 to 35 minutes or 40 maybe, because you don't really see that when you were talking about the material. It's only 100 pages of a book. The 30 minutes is good because, like I said, we talk about the hobbit. The hobbit shouldn't have been three movies, it should have been two at the max.
Speaker 2:Uh, so the first few months of this this year people were speculating and kind of like what's going on? We're not seeing anything for the 17th. We're not seeing. We saw a couple stills. We don't have a trailer. This is supposed to come out in march. We kind of knew that that was going to be the case, that it was going to be delayed. George is on board. That's all I can ask for and I think and I just hope that people enjoy this dragon-less show. This is going to be more character-driven stories, mandalorian and Grogu kind of thing.
Speaker 1:And I think that's all the Westeros series we have to share with you guys today. If you've been following along our Game of Thrones Season 3 rewatch, you'll remember we said that our episode after the finale would be on Robb Stark. It would have been like a character analysis on him and focusing on his downfall. But we had to share this quick, bite-sized episode with you guys, since we've been covering Season 3 for months now and we just needed like a little news episode to get us all up to speed with what's to come in the future from world of song, of ice and fire. Our next episode will definitely be on rob stark, so look forward to that, and hopefully we'll also have the train analysis on a night of the seven kingdoms, if we get that trailer at new york comic-con early october. Oh and tony, we also forgot to mention the house. The dragon. Season two won the emmy for the best period.
Speaker 1:Fancy sci-fi makeup, non-prosthetic yes, it's actually this the show's second emmy ever. The other one, I think, was best drama, wasn't it? So congrats to them. Uh, and that's that. So be sure to follow us on instagram at dancing with underscore dragons for faster updates and, of course, be sure to listen, download our episodes on your preferred listening platforms and give us a rating and review or a comment, if you get the chance. Thank you so much for listening to this episode of dancing with dragons. A review or a comment, if you get the chance. Thank you so much for listening to this episode of Dancing with Dragons.
