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Fire, Ice, and Friendship: Our 2-Year Celebration
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Hi everyone and welcome to Dancing with Dragons, a podcast dedicated to Game of Thrones, house of the Dragon and the world of A Song of Ice and Fire, created by George R R Martin. My name is Manoa and I'm here, as always, with my co-host, tony, and we're here for a very special episode. We're celebrating two years of our podcast. That's right. Our very first episode dropped this month, not exactly on this day, dropped on May 13th, two years ago and for the second year in a row, we completely forgot to celebrate on the actual day. I don't know why we keep forgetting about this. We're sorry, but it's true. Dancing with Dragons Passion where, once again, passion, again passionate about our own party and at this point it's basically a tradition, like Tyrion, drinking and knowing things. But we're here now and we've got something fun coming To mark the occasion. We're doing another Q&A special, answering your questions about Game of Thrones, house of the Dragon and beyond. Tony, how have these two years been for you?
Speaker 2:For me it seems it's gone by so quickly Thinking about it. We started the process of trying to create this podcast in November of 2022. I DMed you and said what do you think about this? And you're like, well, maybe I don't know, I don't think so. And then me going okay, I'm not going to pester her or keep asking. She said no. And then, like four weeks later, I think, after you were on the podcast a third time, it went really well and I think people are like, wow, she's really good on the podcast. I said I think, well, we're going to have to, I have to figure out some way. So then I I don't know what the message was that I sent you that made you go well, okay, let me think about it and then I should look that up. I should scroll all the way back to see what it said.
Speaker 2:For me it's been really fun, I think, about a question that we got. So we had a lot of questions submitted from friends and families and listeners and there's one that I just, if it's okay with you, I want to start off and answer really quick. It was submitted by grant, who is on instagram and he has a big uh ig page. Actually, I think he passed over a hundred thousand followers or he's close to it. His handle is movie scenes period and shit, so sorry for the curse word there, but that's his handle. Uh, he actually sent a few questions, but this is the one that I'm going to start with.
Speaker 2:He asked what improvements made to the pod since that first episode are you most proud of? You know, I recently listened to the first podcast I don't know a few months ago Well, maybe a month ago and I actually was surprised that. I really thought we did well. It sounded pretty good. The only thing I remember doing was that I took off the whole chunk of us talking about the pilot that didn't air. That was like five, eight minutes of us talking and then we actually made an episode about it, just dedicated to that topic. The difference between now and then is that our conversations are more fluid and it's easier, and I remember editing our first 10, 20, and it would take me days because it was so much I had to edit, and now I can edit an episode in a few hours and that's a testament to us getting better as podcasters, knowing when to talk, knowing when to stop, being more prepared.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I agree, I mean, I was gonna. My mind immediately went back to the first episode as well, and how kind of, I don't want to say. We were overly prepared, because we were both weirdly overprepared but also underprepared. Like we came with too many notes. We wanted to say everything, everything and we wanted to include every like tiny little bit of behind the scenes trivia, every opinion on every like pixel on the screen, almost about that episode, about the first episode of game of thrones, and like I don't blame us because we both love that episode so much and it's so important in this episode game of thrones. But I feel like now we got to a place where we kind of just know exactly what, like the rights, um, we don't go over the limits and also our attitudes. I think you were confident, I was a bit nervous, I think, uh, I think you can see more of a change from episode one.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and now, like you can see me change a lot. If you go back and listen to the earlier episodes, then you come back and listen to our recent ones.
Speaker 2:Yeah, by the time I started this podcast, I already had done 25, 26 episodes of my first podcast called the Real Spotlight. So I was not a pro, but I went into this kind of knowing the ropes and you were more. This was just your fourth episode and now you're a co-host, and now you have to be ready every week or every other week.
Speaker 2:So it was a totally different world for you and you went into it. You're doing great, I think, and I'm happy that you said yes. I always say that. But I realized inviting you to that third episode kind of something went off in my head. I go maybe I should do this. Maybe I should because I've been thinking about it. You know what kind of. I want to do another podcast and I go well, I really want to do Game of Thrones.
Speaker 1:Discussing the season one finale of House of the Dragon on the real spotlight confirmed that I needed you to be this uh, co-host here well, I'm glad I I love that like one thing between another and then eventually everyone podcasts and people are listening to it and hopefully enjoying yeah, let me segue to our next question is from gabriel or filmbooth on instagram, the friend of the podcast.
Speaker 2:He will be a guest soon. His question is if not game of thrones, what other show would you dedicate a podcast to? Now we've answered this in the past and I've said battle star galactica and you know you laugh at me I just know that's your favorite and that's like you.
Speaker 1:you I don't mean to use this word in like an offensive way, obviously, but like you nerd out about as much much as Game of Thrones, almost so like I knew that that was going to be your pick that time.
Speaker 2:So I have a different answer because I recently finished watching a show that renewed my love for this franchise, I guess. But let me, I'll let you answer first.
Speaker 1:Okay, my pick is the same it's Good More Girls. I always have a lot to say on Good More Girls. I reference it very, very often. Storylines like lessons learned through Good More Girls quotes everything. So Good More Girls. I have a lot of opinions on Good More Girls.
Speaker 2:When did that show Are you talking about? Did they do like a not not a remake, but like a newer?
Speaker 1:yeah, they did like, not a new version of like the beginning of like the story.
Speaker 2:They did a like a continuation like what are they doing now, kind of shows yeah, kind of like now how many years later was it?
Speaker 1:Maybe like 10. It was, I think, almost 10 years later. Yeah, and I have opinions on the continuation as well. I don't like it, even though I love the original show. Yeah, get more girls, don't get me started, I'm not going to stop talking. So, get more girls. What? Get me started, I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm not gonna stop talking. So what's about you? What's your new answer to any?
Speaker 2:uh, it would have to be star wars related because, you know, when it comes to you know, game of thrones, I mean star wars to me is so huge. It's been a part of my life since I was like four years old, and I'm already years old, uh, so it's been quite a while. I always hesitated because the star wars fandom is so toxic that I wouldn't want to be associated with that. But now I'm like I don't care, like I you know, I could just delete, block, it's not gonna affect my life. Well, you know, if somebody says something nasty about me on the internet, because who gives it rats behind, uh, but it's something I wouldn't just focus on one show, I would just do the whole world, because it covers kind of like a song of ice and fire. The the world is so ginormous. The books uh, have you ever read any star wars books?
Speaker 2:no no, okay, there's two that I really love it. One is called Lost Stars and the other one is called Bloodline. Bloodline focuses on Princess Leia Five years before the new Empire take over and Force Awakens, so you kind of get to see her. She's leaving the Senate Mon Mothra is still there. You get Han Solo still a smugglerler. You get to hear about kylo ren and it's a very interesting story, very in-depth political adventure, all that stuff.
Speaker 2:so it's really nice and that's something I would have loved to seen as a movie, but you can't do it because you couldn't recast anybody, like people would just freak out all right, let's, let's move on from that, because I'm, I, I'm, I feel like I'm I'm doing the podcast now of star wars so wait, were you a fan of star wars as a kid, like did you grow up with it?
Speaker 1:because that makes me think of a question that we got from lewis, our friend, uh friend of the podcast. Lewis, at lulu reviews said what's a movie or show that defined your childhood? Was that star wars for you?
Speaker 2:yeah, so star war. I remember watching um the my first star wars movie. I think I was five or six years old, so that was like 19, mid 80s, um, so I kind of got lost in it. I remember my uncle buying the vhs tapes and he kind of left them at my brother's house and I just kind of wore out the VHS, just watching it over and over again.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so you grew up with the Tutsi kind of yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:That's fair. I think that you know why I do like Star Wars. I probably don't have that deep of an emotional attachment to it because I didn't grow up with it. I kind of got into it more as a teenager. For me, I think the movie or story that defined my childhood was definitely harry potter. Um and uh, I like that lewis used the word um defined my childhood because that's the most accurate description of me with harry potter, like I grew up being like I am gonna turn into hermione kinshaw, like that is me, like I found like a person, like a role model, such a young age in her Hermione yeah, so she and Harry Potter, like the overall story defined my childhood like ever since I was really young and then I think, when I was like 14, 15 was when the last movie came out. So, yeah, childhood right there. Harry Potter.
Speaker 2:You were how old when that came out?
Speaker 1:When Deathly Hallows, let me double check, oh I. When deathly hallows, uh, let me double check, oh, I'm sorry, deathly hallows part two came out in 2011.
Speaker 2:I was 13. Wow, it's just. It makes me sound so old, even though I love star wars so much, and it really affected my movie love in that, that childhood I think I don't know if it defined who I was as a movie goer when I was that that young, I would say, believe it or not, martial arts movies is what defined my childhood. Is I just?
Speaker 2:that's all I watched with my brother like he would buy, so he would go to chinatown in new york and buy all the bootlegs okay and you would see, like all the new jackie chan movies, like jet lee, uh van der, all those you know, martial arts movies in the 80s and early 90s and they, but they were all horribly dubbed oh, no way.
Speaker 1:And to what like english or or spanish?
Speaker 2:english, english. And it was funny because I I'm sure you've seen these funny videos of of those those movies being dubbed back in the day, of them talking, and then it takes a second for the other voice to come out yeah, yeah, yeah so I mean that that that would define my childhood.
Speaker 2:but but again, I also it was in love with all sp Spielberg stuff in the 80s as well, and Back to the Future was huge for me. And when it comes to TV cartoons Ninja Turtles, because that came out when I was six, so that's something.
Speaker 2:I would watch every day and all the Disney shows in the 80s like DuckTales and Darkwing Duck what is it? The other one with the tailspin? If you're old you're gonna know all these shows. And I bought all those shows on at costco. They they put like the first three seasons of every show out and I just bought them. I'm like and my wife said, why are you buying that? I said, well, it's for the kids. This is back in the early 2000s, so they were young. She believed that it was for the kids, but it was really for me. A lot of nostalgia there.
Speaker 1:I love that. I recognize a few of the sentences that you mentioned. Not all, but Back to the Future and Speedway movies were also really big parts of my childhood, like formative years as well. I just wanted to mention that.
Speaker 2:Well, let me jump into. We have a lot of segues here, so I want to segue to Mania's question. A good friend, Mania from Stygianfilms. She was my co-host for the Real Spotlight. She asked what do you think of the new Harry Potter series? It's's funny because you love it so much.
Speaker 1:I haven't really asked you about this, so I'm gonna hear this for the first time yeah, I think both you and monia are gonna regret asking me that question just because, like I'm scared I go off on a tangent, um, I'm so disappointed that it's happening. I guess I mean they say, or they have said, that the reason why they're doing it so that they can be more faithful to the books, because they obviously edited some things out from the books when they made us into the movies. You know there are some details that they changed in and, um, uh, cut out, but I think that those movies are again. This might be my emotional attachment to it but they're so perfect as they are, even though they did edit some things out and some things could have been better. I just don't see a world in which remaking harry potter from scratch is a good idea because they already have problems with casting. Uh, now, you know, like I don't have any problem with them casting snape as an african-american, like I don't mind race bending. But now it's like people are saying that it's problematic because it's like he's going to hate Harry and it's going to be related to his race, when that isn't really related to Snape at all.
Speaker 1:And Snape is also like part of the Death Eaters, which is like very similar to, like certain very opinionated groups that existed in the 1940s and up until today. Do you know what I mean? Like I could, like I don't know if that's either, but like world wars cut. You know what I mean? Like it's I, I've read those critiques and they stayed with me, and sort of the others. Like I, there are eight books. Right, they're like seven, seven books, sorry, there's seven books and now they take like ages to film one season. So when are they? I don't, we don't need it. We don't, we don't need, we don't need this whole journey again with all of these mistakes and like I don't know.
Speaker 2:I just feel well you know what that's a good so like yeah that's a good point about how it's taking forever to do one season of tv. Now what are they going? To do with these kid actors. They can't wait two, three years per season that's, that's exactly it like they would have to film back to back to back, like every year without fail. And I don't see that happening because this is going to require big sets, a lot of CGI. You know what I mean? Various locations.
Speaker 1:So it's not going to be expensive. Yeah, and we've seen the delays that we've seen already with Stranger Things. I mean, we met those actors as kids and now they're adults and one of them is married, they're in their 20s and it's not done yet and the story hasn't progressed that much. I don't know, it's just just it seems like such a nightmare logistically, like politically, um, like in terms of the story, like well, I just I don't see any benefits to it happening, uh at all, especially since it hasn't been that long since the last harry potter movie movie. It's not like they're reviving something that's dead. You know what I mean? The people that grew up with Harry Potter are still young, like me. We don't need a new one. It's not like they're remaking something from the 60s.
Speaker 2:It's funny because I think if they would have waited, 25 years maybe, you can get away with it, Because you would have been much older and you're like oh, Harry Potter is going to be nice to go back into the world. But this is not even 14 years ago, right, yeah, 14 years ago. And I think that for me I have no desire. I don't really care that it's coming out. I did see the casting of the three main characters, you know, harry.
Speaker 2:Ron and Hermione, and I do see all the crap they're taking. It's so much that when HBO posted the casting, they turned off the comments because they knew that trolls were going to attack this little girl.
Speaker 1:That's bad though.
Speaker 2:Yeah, they spent no— Because I saw the post and it said five minutes ago and already they had the comments turned off Because they knew that what was going to happen. Why do we have people like this in the world, who literally spend one second thinking about the race or the? Color of a fictional character's skin, like that's what you're worried I want to live in your world that you have nothing to worry about other than this. But anyway, I saw this little girl's audition and I go. That's emma watson, yeah literally and I go.
Speaker 1:How can you?
Speaker 2:that shit already. Okay, okay, shut everybody up, because just, the mannerisms, the way she's talking, she has that know-it-all sass to her speaking ways. You know, that's what we love about Hermione, like, yeah, she's a know-it-all, but we love her because not being a know-it-all to me, you know a witch, I want to say the other word she's doing it because she believes it and she's doing it because that's she believes it and she's right. Yeah, she's always right. If I cared about the series, I go, okay, I feel good now that I see this little actress being casted. Okay, it might be a good series or they might doing well. And then, uh, casting john lithgow. I think john lithgow is one of the greatest actors we have. Um, he could. He played churchill in the crown perfectly. He could do anything. So I I don't have a problem with with the casting, it's just, I think with a lot of people is going to have a problem with getting over the creators political oh yeah, yeah, I kind of forgot to say that too.
Speaker 2:Yeah that's one of the hugest things that that people I'm really. I don't care about this new series.
Speaker 1:Uh what are you gonna do?
Speaker 2:is season one, just gonna uh represent the first book. Are you gonna do season? Are you gonna do seven seasons, so a season is each book? I don't know what, what the plans are. I don't know if you do or not I don't know if this was official information.
Speaker 1:That was going to be a book per season, but it's so unnecessary. Maybe they're going to combine one and two, I don't know. It's just like. What's more could they add, you know? And about the, I just want to make like one, just in case I wasn't clear about what I said about the. Like the hermione character, I'm totally in support of her. I think she's perfect. But what I said about snape is just because they said that casting him, uh, like not as a white guy makes it worse. Do you know what I mean? Like they Snape should be white, just because, if he's not, then it adds that, like Snape's aggression comes from his race. Do you know what I mean? That was the argument. We were saying that it's he's one of the only characters that should should have remained like white, because it's not, like politically correct if he's not.
Speaker 2:So that's just what I wanted to to clarify and also I I mean I don't know who's playing snape. I wish him good luck yeah but it's also really hard to follow alan rickman. He's such a freaking, you know, he's such a legend. It's like doing the lord of the rings again and and somebody else yeah somebody else is playing gandalf like I can't I can't do it.
Speaker 2:I do want to add a question that wasn't for this particular episode. Last episode we discussed uh, season three, episode five, kiss by fire for game of thrones and we had a question that I my fault I completely forgot to ask in the podcast. It came from QKH, underscore 187. He asked the question. Dean Jamie would have had this turn if he didn't lose his hand, meaning if his change in character, his arc which. I think is a really great question.
Speaker 1:You sent me this question beforehand and that's really great question. You sent me this question beforehand and that's exactly what's going to happen. That's an amazing question and after thinking about it for a while, I honestly think that there's no way that Jamie would have had that change at all if he hadn't lost his hand. It was a key, pivotal moment for his character that stripped a part of his identity from him. You know what I mean. Like that was his sword hand, his fighting hand. That was his entire identity, his like the only kind of good part about his reputation.
Speaker 1:That was like, if you can't um praise jamie for anything, you can at least say that he's a good swordsman and he's completely stripped of that and he's left with kind of like I don't want to say the bad side, but he's just left with everything that he's not proud of about himself. You know what I mean, because everything that he, the one thing he was proud of, was taken away from him. So when he's left so broken, that's when he kind of develops finally develops like empathy and understanding and that's why he was able to open up to Brienne and care about her slightly. So I think that's yeah, definitely it's. It's like the death of the old Jaime in the beginning of a new one, yeah, when he lost his hand.
Speaker 2:I agree. I think there's no way. If he's not captured or loses his sword hand, if he is safely in King's Landing the whole time, there's no way he changes. I think the events force him into this painful self-awareness. It's his fall from grace that makes the redemption possible. Without him going through all the stuff he went through and let's say, without that him and King's Landing going, I want to be a good guy. Like it wouldn't have worked.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:You know him turning against his sister or his father. Without having gone through all what he went through, it wouldn't have been so powerful as what the show delivered. Before we go to the next question I don't know the name, he just the handle is QKH, underscore 187,. Who submitted the Jamie question? He sent us a message because I kind of I said hey, we apologize, we forgot your question but we'll take care of it. Today, on the recording he just sent, he sent us a DM saying we'd love for you guys to do an episode covering the Seven Kingdoms in in detail, like their inception, economies, geographies, culture, slash, traditions and allegiances, which all good suggestions. I think we do have plans to do one, like on the religions of westeros and essos, and want to go into episodes that are prior to the conquest of Aegon.
Speaker 1:Speaking of Targaryen-less stories in Game of Thrones that we want to see. We got a question from Caden underscore Crippen, who says what is a story in the Game of Thrones world you would want to show about that is not as well known?
Speaker 2:That's a good question. Like I just mentioned, we want to get into that in future episodes and now that we don't have Dunk and Egg to look forward to in the summer, we anything to do with the Starks, like we can do one of the last king in the North, torrhen Stark. He's the one that kneeled to Aegon. There's also how the wall was built. Oh, the real Long Night. We could do that. That's something that people would enjoy, or I would enjoy for sure.
Speaker 1:And one that I'd like to add is actually one that we mentioned before, which is the story of the Night's King at the Wall. One that we mentioned before, which is the story of the Night's King at the Wall. We mentioned this in a previous podcast, I think. We did an episode about potential spinoffs and we mentioned this story in depth, so please check out that episode to hear the story in depth. It's basically about a Lord Commander of the Night's Watch that goes beyond the Wall and kind of marries a Wilding and kind of marries a White walker. It's kind of insane, um, and it's dark.
Speaker 2:So I think that's really cool to get as a mini series the question from tommy minority obsession, who was a guest of the podcast when we did, uh, the small council. We created our own small councils. That was a fun episode, uh, so check that out. He are you more excited for House of the Dragon, season 3, or the first season of the Night of the Seven Kingdoms?
Speaker 1:I honestly might say a Night of the Seven Kingdoms, just because I have worries about House of the Dragon, season 3 and I don't have as many worries about the Night of the Seven Kingdoms. We left Season 2 of House of the seven kingdoms uh, we left season two past the dragon. On a bit of a nervous note. We didn't like some changes that they did. We already didn't know where they were going because they changed a lot from the book. So I'm I'm kind of nervous about the future past the dragon, um, whereas with the night of the seven kingdoms I know people are worried about this as well, because, um, because of, like the delay, but, um, I I just think that it'll be interesting to see a show that's different, where they take their time. I'm excited to see that more than as the dragon season three. What about you?
Speaker 2:I feel a little disappointed about the delay, and I'll tell you why. It's because you have six episodes it's not like you had this ginormous season of 20 episodes that you need your time to do post-production and and editing and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Like six episodes. Come on. What are we doing like, was it? Or are you doing it because you filmed it and then you didn't like it? And now you're doing reshoots Like what? What is? I want to know the the main reason, instead of just saying, oh, we're just delaying it until next year because now you have two a song of ice and fire shows in the same calendar year. Yeah, are they going to? Does that mean they're delaying House of the Dragon? Like I can't.
Speaker 2:They might honestly classic underdog and egg brings a fresh, you know put a political layer, I'm gonna say, especially to those who know who he becomes, and it's a chance to explore westeros in a more quieter, more character driven way. And you know you have a noble knight trying to do the right thing in a gray world. Because again I've mentioned in the dunkin egg episode we did is that dunk reminds me of ned stark when it comes to honor yeah and loyalty and all that.
Speaker 2:So we're gonna see a tall, ned stark walking around with this little kid. Feel like I want to see a classic adventure story with heart, and I could. Of course I want to see house of the dragon season three, but I'd rather. If you gave me a choice, I'm going to pick Duncan A.
Speaker 1:And moving on from this question, we got a submission from one of our Instagram friends, quinn, at views by Quinn, who says congrats on two years. Thank you, quinn. He says what's been a favorite episode you've recorded so far. I'm really curious about your answer, tony.
Speaker 2:So if I had to pick one, I'm going to pick two, because I'm going to cheat. I love the House of the Undying episode we did. I just think us covering a chapter from the Clash of Kings books was really fun and it's something that we want to do and we talked about recently. I'll give everybody a spoiler of what we're going to try to do in the future. We're going to do the Battle of Blackwater Bay. Then, once we cover the Red Wedding the show, then we're going to go back and cover it how it was in the book and we also want to do one on Ned's death.
Speaker 2:The second one I'll pick is one we did about George. Now we've done two episodes on George RR Martin One when we talked about his blog, how he talked about House of the Dragon, season two, but the first one we did, we talked about him, the origins of the of the Game of Thrones books, his life, how he started as a writer. I think that was a really fun episode and I and I really really, really, really enjoyed it. And that was one of our very first ones. First ones. I think that was like our 12th or 13th episode?
Speaker 1:really, was it that early on? Yeah, yeah, it was the 13th episode, wow, wow. So actually that george episode is also one of my favorites. Um, that was one of my picks. Uh, I I think I was the one that did most of the research for that and I had so much fun just researching about his life and like talking about him, so I really enjoyed that episode. And I think my other favorite episode was one that I also got really excited about, and that's the Robert Trebellion episode. I think I've been telling you more like let's do another historical one is another historical one, because I really enjoyed talking about Robert Trebellion.
Speaker 2:Recounting it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, that's our most downloaded episode, by the way yeah, I know, I know and I love it so much, like it's within reason that's the most downloaded one, because it's like we recounted all the major like things you need to know about Robert's Rebellion and at the same time, within it, you know, you get the story of Liana and Rhaegar and and I got so passionate about it, like while we were prepping for that episode, while we were recording After it, like I couldn't stop thinking about Robert C Bedding for a while and how I really loved that part. It's Robert C Bedding and George.
Speaker 2:Yeah, because we kind of touched on Ned and Robert's past you know friendship, how their friendships began, and we also touched upon the Mad King and all those theories and that also that was a really good episode when we did about the Mad King because we kind of got into his friendships with Tywin and how that soured and went south. So let me go on to the next question. We actually got three more questions from Grant, Movie Scenes and Shite, I will say Shite. He asked what does john snow?
Speaker 2:know he knows honor, I guess, kind of he he knows how to be stubbornly loyal and honorable when it yeah, he doesn't know how to the one that pissed me off the most, and this is season seven, so we can kind of throw it away. It's when he doesn't know how to the one that pissed me off the most, and this is season seven, so we can kind of throw it away it's when he can't lie to cersei yeah it's like bro, it's a little white lie.
Speaker 2:You know this. This, this is a monster. You're not. She doesn't deserve your honor, your word of honor. And it's so annoying when he's like I cannot, I'm serving one other queen already and everybody just rolls their eyes like, oh my god he knows how to tell the truth. Yeah.
Speaker 1:I mean I kind of feel bad saying that, because he did do an okay job being undercover with the knights, with the wildlings.
Speaker 2:To be honest, even if he'd lied, cersei wouldn't have. She would have done the same thing anyway. So let's stop so. So grant's next question is that uh, basically asking us when we started our first day of recording, did you ever think on day one that george would be no closer to finishing the book two years later?
Speaker 1:oh yeah, yeah. I think there was like a moment within that time frame where I don't remember what's happened, but there was like a hint that was going to be soon at some point. I don't know what's happened, I can't. I can't remember for the life of me now, but something happened where they were like oh, winter, winter is actually coming sooner rather than later. I remember like accounts posting about instagram, like it's coming up by the end of the year.
Speaker 1:I forgot which year is my, I don't know if it was within that time frame or like before, but I think that was the only time where I actually felt like it was in the foreseeable future, because it went like, it spread like, like like wildfire, the news that was coming soon, like I don't know what was the source of that news, but it felt so real and then turned out to be true, obviously, but that was the only time I ever felt like winds of winter is coming soon yeah, I've defended george because, you know, ultimately it's his baby and I'll still defend them, even though Winds of Winter was released in 2012.
Speaker 2:Or 2011, I'm sorry. So that's 14 years, almost a decade and a half. There's so many other projects he's done, he's involved with, he's producing, he's writing and, yeah, I get when people are getting upset and people will say, say, well, let somebody else write it. Well, I don't want to read what somebody else wrote, I want to read his. And if he doesn't do it, then yeah he doesn't do it.
Speaker 2:He wrote in his new blog and it just came out this wednesday. So right now we're at the 30th of may and then may 28th he released a blog called Howard Meets Hercules. So he's doing a new project, the animated feature. Obviously he puts that news out and instantly you get people saying why are you doing this? And blah, and he's just tired of it. So he goes. I know this is what he wrote and I quote. I know I know some of you would just be pissed off by this, as you are by everything. I announced that it's not about Westeros or the Winds of Winter. You have given up on me or on the books. I will never finish Winds If I do. I will never finish A Dream of Spring. If I do, it won't be any good and I ought to find some other writer to pinch hit for me. I'm going to die soon anyway because I'm so old. I lost all my interest in A Song of Ice and Fire decades ago. I don't give a shit about writing anything.
Speaker 2:This is all him saying what fans are saying to him he ultimately writes I do care about the world that I created, and I care about Westeros and the winds as well, the Starks, the Lannisters, the Targaryens, tyrion and Asha, dany and Daenerys, the dragons and the direwolves that care about them all more than you can ever imagine.
Speaker 1:Leave this man alone already yeah maybe he's testing everybody maybe honestly, I don't know. I feel so bad for him and I just wish that people would kind of give him a break. I know that they're like no, but he doesn't deserve him, poor guy. I don't know, and I should.
Speaker 2:And I don't know. It's because he's stuck on a storyline or a plot that he can't fix, or he screwed up Many, many theories on that as well. No, I mean, I'm not surprised that it's not out. But let's go on to the next question, because again, we've done a whole episode about this. So Grant's next question is do fantasy books work better as movies or shows? Got is a great show, but Lord of the Rings are great films. I was going to let you answer, but let me add another question. Not another question, but we'll get to see this now in real time with harry potter oh, true, true, and I feel like you're just going.
Speaker 1:Like I said harry potter, you said star wars, so not really fancy, it's like fancy sci-fi, but, um, I dropped the mandalorian, like after season two, and I haven't seen andor yet. So, like what would your answer be? Yeah, given the fact that we have star wars, movies, and, and, or like, is it different because andor is just so different from the rest of the universe? Or like, do you think it's a special case and it doesn't really apply to this question? Or?
Speaker 2:well, I think, I think harry potter's I guess it's it'll be more scrutinized because they're just retelling the story. So, like with the mand, mandalorian and Andor, they're telling different stories, true true. Or Lord of the Rings, a show. They're telling a different story. They're not retelling the story of the movies.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:So I think there'll be a microscope under Harry Potter. For me, I think a show, if done right, provides more room for the subplots and the character arcs for people to grow and breathe. In a movie you just have two to three hours and you have to cut a lot of major plot lines. I guess they're claiming from Harry Potter they want to add to those. I think my daughter was telling me why are they going to do that? I said, well, one money and two. If she really wants her vision out there, you can really go in deep into the first book. I don't know how big is the first book and I don't know how much more they can get out of it that you're going to see on screen that you didn't see in the movies.
Speaker 1:I don't know either. I I mean for Harry Potter. I think that, like it will kind of be the proof of this answer. Do you know what I mean? As you said, but like the first book is so it's short, doesn't need like a whole season of a show, you know what I mean, doesn't need more than a couple of hours that the movie provided. Like the first movie was perfect, it was, it did justice to the book. They just, if I can remember correctly, they just edited a few things that are just fine edits. It's hard to generalize because it depends on the story. With Game of Thrones, if it was a movie, I don't think it maybe would have worked because, obviously because a lot more happens in Game of Thrones than in books like Harry Potter or, I guess, even like I think, the only way.
Speaker 1:The rings.
Speaker 2:No, I think game of thrones would have could have worked as a movie, but it would have had to have been a trilogy and three hours plus yeah, and even so they would have had to crop out so much of what makes game of thrones game of thrones.
Speaker 1:I think you know, like, like ned stark's death wouldn't have had any impact if it was in a movie. Like we spent a whole like 10 hours, like nine hours, with that guy and then he just gets beheaded. Do you know that it's not the same if we just spent like an hour or two with him, and then it's like oh well, that would have.
Speaker 2:I think that that would have been in part three, so that would have been like the last hour of the last film and you know, people would have been pissed.
Speaker 1:Uh, yeah no, it wouldn't have worked as a movie. So it depends, I think, on what the the project is. And also, I just want to say something that, like another case of this happening is percy jackson. I started the percy jackson books. I haven't finished them yet and I think that with percy jackson, even though it's like a kid's book it's a short book the show is much better than the movie, because the show kind of takes its time for you to to like appreciate every little detail that's in the story. So, uh, I guess it just depends on, like, the actual story versus how long it's been yeah, so last question from Grant.
Speaker 2:Thank you, Grant, from sending all these questions. He asked. I'm currently reading the Eragon books. Have you read them or seen the film?
Speaker 1:I think I have the book and I maybe saw the movie when it came out Like I think it came out like 2000,.
Speaker 2:The early 2000s.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah. So almost 20 years ago.
Speaker 1:Well, yeah, I think I maybe saw the movie when it came out. I was like eight years old, um, but I remember seeing the books every. I remember a friend of mine really liking it, so I have some recollection of it, but not a lot.
Speaker 2:I'm not sure if I watched the movie or not, and I don't think I love the books as well yeah, I just remember like seeing a trailer and it's about some kids who find, like a dragon egg and something like that, there's an evil king. I don't know the story, I just remember that. That was pretty much it.
Speaker 1:So I have not read the books or seen the movie well, uh, that answers your question grant, but I know that has to do with dragons, so if you think that's me and so anyone like it, then let us know. We've got a couple of other questions from another instagram friend of ours, shan at from forger, and one of her questions made me laugh. She said are there any plans to meet up in person one day, you two? Uh, I hope, so hope.
Speaker 2:It would have to be you coming over here. I don't know. You've actually made a few trips to the States since we've been doing this podcast, but it's always far away. So you're like in the East Coast or you're like in LA. I remember you in LA recently I'm not recently, but this year.
Speaker 1:Last year, last year.
Speaker 2:Last year, ok, were you somewhere. Maybe you this year, last year, last year, yeah, last year?
Speaker 1:okay, were you somewhere? Maybe you know you're in the east coast somewhere yeah, yeah, I was in boston, yeah.
Speaker 2:So I think last year you were in los angeles, which is like six and a half hours from me, but that weekend it was already had stuff I had to do and I could have done that. I could have just driven over there if I had three those three days. So next time you're going to plan to come to LA, just ask me if I'm free or not. I'll make sure I'm free. We could do that Definitely. But one day maybe, who knows, I'll fly across the world and just knock on your door.
Speaker 1:Yeah, please, Please, why not Like? I think it's really cool.
Speaker 2:So if everyone comes to Bahrain, you can come at any time, of course Not in the summer, because I don't want to leave the summer.
Speaker 1:No, no, no.
Speaker 2:Here is 110 degrees. I don't want to go somewhere else where it's that hot. Yeah, yeah exactly.
Speaker 1:So, other than that, shan asked us some pretty deep questions about our podcast. She says what is your biggest challenge being a podcast host?
Speaker 2:Yeah, For me personally, learning how to figure out time management.
Speaker 2:You know, because sometimes we try to schedule all our recordings and then we go well, I can't do it now, I can't do it.
Speaker 2:Figure out a way, how to be more consistent as somebody who's doing podcasting and you're trying to figure out, okay, what would the audience want to listen to? What would would they want to listen to this? What should we do? Uh, should, okay. Well, that's going to take too much time. Uh, like, you're trying to figure out something to grow your podcast and sometimes it's mentally taxing because you're thinking about audience, audience growth, and sometimes I'll look at our stuff and I go, man, I wish we could do this. I wish we could do that, I wish we had time to just be online all day long and just talk about, okay, you know, every little news bit that comes out. Like, I can't do that.
Speaker 2:There's some creators who can, who you know, they just post a video every five minutes about every little topic, and great for them, but I just don't, like I said, with time management we can't do that. But I think we're doing okay when it comes to these. Couple past months has been a little challenging when it comes to uploading episodes, because we've been a little busier. Like last year, we were just pumping out episode a week because we were doing all the House of the Dragon and then House of the Dragon season two. I think we did like three months straight of every week recording and that was very tiring and I think us doing every two weeks now posting every two weeks it's a little more mellow now that we're not in a rush to put out episodes I think, yeah, the time management thing is definitely like it's been a challenge, since we've we're we live in opposite sides of the world.
Speaker 1:Um, I think I also had to learn how to kind of improve my conversational skills maybe a little bit more, because I I'm like, very introverted, so when I I talk to you or when we have a guest, it's like I kind of have to be super aware and make sure, like you know what I mean. Like it's like an introvert that's just dealing with with the fact that she's hosting a podcast. So that's what I had to. That was a bit of a challenge as well.
Speaker 1:And also, I think maybe I don't want to go too deep after this question, but for a while I kind of felt like, though I was a big fan of the show and I am a big fan of the show, I felt a bit of like an imposter syndrome hosting this podcast because I didn't finish reading the books and I still didn't finish reading the books. So that's something that I struggle with too. I'm like, uh, am I just, like you know, like speaking nonsense sometimes and I don't know what I'm talking about? But I try my best and hopefully this will go away once I'm done with the books, which hopefully, hopefully, hopefully isn't too far in the future, since I already read the first couple chapters of book four. Yeah, it's just that, and let me move on to the next question before it gets too deep, because Sean also said something else that's related to this, and she said what have you learned about yourself since starting this podcast?
Speaker 2:I can answer that, as I think about the first podcast I started, I never in my wildest dreams thought I would host a podcast because I was always afraid of speaking in public. And I go, I'm not speaking in public, I'm speaking to the public but I'm not speaking in front of them. So a lot of radio hosts who are awful public speakers, they're like I don't like to talk to the public in front of them, I'm behind the mic and I don't see anybody In front of them. I'm behind the mic and I don't see anybody. And I think this is a huge difference with me is that I never realized that the confidence in recording a podcast and saying what I think, and now that I've been a guest on a few podcasts, I think having confidence in my ability to talk onto the mic is something that I've, I guess, proud that I'm doing and learned that I could do.
Speaker 1:For me it's not so different as well. I mentioned I'm an introvert, so I was really it was really daunting to me to host a podcast and have people listen to my voice when I can barely listen to my voice and they would like. You know I'm speaking and they're listening. Like you know I'm speaking and they're listening. And it's freaked me out because sometimes, when I I always considered posting online like whether it's my reviews or anything I always considered it you know, I'm going to speak into the void and I'm going to consider it that no one is actually going to listen to me and when I'm writing, it doesn't actually feel like like it's me, it's my words. I feel like I am'm just I'm myself, whether I'm writing or I'm speaking, and I'm maybe a better writer than I am a speaker. So that's why I felt more comfortable in that medium even people engaged with the content but because I feel less comfortable speaking. It was really daunting for me and it was like a learning curve kind of just getting over that.
Speaker 1:Even though I I have this attitude, still I'm like I'm gonna pretend like I was listening to this podcast. I like it still haunts me, like seeing the buzzsprouts that you know, and all of our listeners, sometimes we've been like, oh wait, people are actually listening. I don't know. It freaks me out still. Yeah, um, but and I remember, like you know, when the first podcast I ever recorded with you and under the spotlight, like you saw how nervous I was and I was panicking beforehand, of course, after recording I was like out of my mind yeah, I was, I was so, so worried and scared, um, but like now it's better. It's just that it's the kind of like it was really outside my comfort zone, but now not as much. You know what I mean. So I think actually I changed a lot, I think, anyways all right, let's go on to.
Speaker 2:We have actually a lot of questions left here, uh, so I'm going to start with two from travel enthusiasts, who sends us a lot of questions. His first question is uh, who in the cast other than your favorite characters would you like to have dinner with? And and I think he I'm assuming he's saying your favorite characters in Daenerys and Tyrion. So, other than Emilia Clarke and Peter Dinklage, who would you have dinner with?
Speaker 1:So so he means the actors, yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, just the actors.
Speaker 1:I think I choose Sophie Turner. She's close to my age, maisie Turner. Maisie Williams, who plays Arya, is closer to my age, but I think I just choose sophie turner because I don't know like I feel like she's the kind of extroverted friend that will help you out of your shell a little bit. I think that's kind of what's like I, I need, like I, I love her energy. So yeah I would say Sophie Turner.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, I'm going to say believe it or not.
Speaker 1:You're going to say a media crack because you can.
Speaker 2:No, no, no, no no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no no no, no, no no and I go. I think he's close to my age and I think we have a lot of stuff to talk about, and with having dinner with Pedro, he'll probably have Oscar Isaac there too. So you know, they're really good friends.
Speaker 1:Then I'm going to say then Sophie Turner is going to come with Maisie Williams, since they're close friends as well. So let's talk girls.
Speaker 2:No, I, yeah, I think it would be a great, great dinner to me and Pedro just talking. His next question is if I went through your Spotify playlist, what kind of music would I find?
Speaker 1:Okay, I can give a very quick answer A lot of Taylor Swift, a lot of BTS and Seventeen and other K-pop bands and Hamilton, other Broadway and film soundtracks, and that's it. That's literally it. What about you?
Speaker 2:Actually, I have pretty much every genre in my playlist. I have a lot of playlists, but the only genre that's not really. I have a couple songs that I'm not a big fan of, and it's just because I didn't grow up with it as country music.
Speaker 1:And.
Speaker 2:I think I have a couple songs of some artists there, but you know, mostly, probably like 80% of my music is the music I grew up with the salsa music and merengue and all that. So it's a lot of that, lot of that out there. And then I also have like r b, I have hip-hop, I have classical music, I have 80s, I have all the mexican music too. So it's like a vast variety. So if I put a shuffle, you'll. You'll hear a, you'll hear a uh song from like the little mermaid, and then the next one will be like Eminem.
Speaker 1:It's just I love that. I love that. I have that mixed too.
Speaker 2:I have it's a mermaid and I have Eminem, so I have that mixed too, and then and then you'll go to like a country, or then you'll go back to a disco song from the seventies and then go back to like a beauty and the bass song. It's just a vast variety of people may like. What playlist is that? Well, I don't know, I just like to listen to all kinds of music.
Speaker 1:Yeah, my playlist has a good mix too.
Speaker 2:Okay, I have a question here from Jace RK6. He asks excluding season eight. This is a thinker and I probably should have sent this to you. Excluding season 8, this is a thinker and I probably should have sent this to you. Excluding season 8 what storyline or storylines would you delete from the show?
Speaker 1:I am not that informed about it yet because I haven't gotten to that part in the books yet, but you've told me about it and I feel like I'm stealing your answer if I say this, so I'm gonna. If I do, I'm sorry, but it's probably like the doran plot. That's the main thing that came to mind for me. That's the first thing, because, like it seems really interesting and it's such a waste what we got on the show, like even someone that's only familiar with what's happened, like from a distance, like I haven't read that part yet, so, uh, but even just knowing about it makes me feel like, um, like what we got was a bit underwhelming, so I'd say that, um, I guess yeah, I'm, I have a lot to pick from.
Speaker 2:I'm just gonna pick one and I'm I'm a little surprised you didn't say this I'm gonna pick the whole, the whole.
Speaker 1:Uh, little finger of taking sansa to the boltons oh yeah, oh yeah, oh my god, yeah, yeah, I'm sorry uh, I don't that's what we.
Speaker 2:We could have gotten the same thing with her not being there john still would have wanted to fight for his home and it still would have been the same. I don't understand why we needed that extra bit of torture.
Speaker 2:Like we, she already gone through so much, why we adding more trauma to this character. That's, that's the one, uh, obvious season eight. We could just probably say the whole season, but we don't want to go through that and that's probably a good topic for us in the future. What storylines would you delete from the show? Yeah, okay, let's. Uh. We're gonna finish up this special episode of our two year anniversary with five questions that was sent by my two kids. They're not kids anymore. The one is 23. The other is 19. And this is from my son who, uh, I first started watching game of thrones within, I think, 2017. Think season seven hadn't come. Thrones within, I think, 2017. I think season seven hadn't come out yet, I think when he turned 16, I go, you know what? I think he's ready to watch Game of Thrones and the only thing I did was I would fast forward through the you know, sexy parts.
Speaker 2:I would say but other than that, like he would watch and I think, yeah, yeah. So only six seasons were up at the time, so he got to watch seven and eight live, like with everybody else, and I sent you that video of him reacting to the red wedding yeah so his question was which death in the show was the hardest for you to accept? Rob stark for me. He loved rob so much. I'm surprised you didn't say Daenerys Right off.
Speaker 1:I mean, the reason I didn't say Daenerys is just because I got angry about it, but I didn't like it made me. I guess it's a valid answer because I was furious that Dany, you know, had that.
Speaker 2:And it's not that she died, it's just the way she it's the way, the way it happened.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it wasn't epic, or it wasn't like no, oh, wow, that's.
Speaker 1:That's so not amazing, but wow, that makes sense yeah, it was like what yeah, so yeah, it has to be, I guess, danny for that reason, because it made me furious and the when, when he said like get over, I, I thought of it as like being sad. So my mind went to my reaction with to the red wedding, um, but yeah, I guess I have to say the danny as well. Danny, it was like rage. And then with um with rob, it was like sadness, like it was a very brutal thing and like sad thing and so graphic. Yeah, it was. So I'm like with danny, you could kind of tell that was going in that direction and I knew that rob was gonna die too, but I didn't know how. That's what made me so sad, um, so yeah, I would say both of them.
Speaker 1:I'm gonna say rob too no, I'm.
Speaker 2:I'm going to say Ned Stark. Okay, I didn't watch this first season. I read the first book. That one was unbelievable to me because I didn't think for a million years he would kill off one of the main people In my head. I'm thinking, okay, something's going to happen, he's going to be saved, he's going to be sent to the wall. Something magical is going to happen. And you know it didn't. So I had to realize what's going on. And after reading you know more chapters after that and just the, the, all the events that happened, all the ramification of that's death. I am still couldn't accept like he really killed this guy he really yeah he really killed him off I had a similar reaction where I would.
Speaker 1:I wasn't denied and I was just like so, so wait, how is he coming back? Like what was that? Was that like a dream, you know? And like what's what's happened? And then my brother was just like, oh, just watch the finale, because he was going off something too and I was watching it and I was like what do you mean? He's actually dead. I was so shocked. But I don't think it was the same harrowing experience that it was with Rob and Danny, that same depth With Ned. I was just in denial.
Speaker 2:Yeah, okay, the next three questions were submitted by my daughter. She started watching Game of Thrones with with me, I think a couple years ago now. She was 17. She's like I want to watch. You know, she said my. You know she says andres. You know he started watching it at the same age. I need to watch it too. I'm like you're right, you know, not gonna say anything. So we started watching. Uh, we watched season one and two and then season three. She got upset because somebody spoiled the Red Wedding for her. Oh, and her first question was what was the worst spoiler you got revealed to you before watching an episode?
Speaker 1:and she's like I already know what happens.
Speaker 2:I don't want to watch anymore. A lot of more stuff happens after that. You don't have to stop watching the show.
Speaker 1:Yeah, um, I was on the same page as her. I was, I had, I knew what's robin's death, um, so I was very upset about it and and like mad about it. Before it happened I didn't know how it was it would happen, I just knew that was coming. But I think the worst spoiler that I got was I don't know why, I said this story in the podcast before, but during season eight, a couple of days or like a week before the finale or something, I got this dm from this random girl, I don't know her she I don't know if she follows me or not but then she just said, um, bran becomes the king. I don't know if she said something, something else like, but she told me Bran becomes the king, something, something.
Speaker 1:I read all the leaks, uh, like, like, basically in your face, something like that. And when I saw it, like I I couldn't believe my eyes. I was like what she's saying? And then I deleted this and I got so mad and I I got so affected. I was like you know what, even if it's true, if it's it's not true, like it's, like it's good to be someone messing with me.
Speaker 1:And then, when it's happened, I was like I hate that someone took away what could have been 100% authentic reaction from me and because she did it on purpose, she just wanted to ruin the day for it. Like she wants to ruin it for me for no reason I have no, but she knew me, so I remember lots of people like also when I said this on my stories. At that time, they were really angry on my behalf as well, which I appreciated, because how could you be that like, how could you, how could you do that? You know what I mean. Like you know that I'm a huge, huge fan of the show, and if you just want to ruin something for someone, why you To ruin something for someone? Why you know? So that was, I think, the worst experience that I had with someone, like with spoilers. So I still don't forgive her and I hope that whatever show, any show that she watches, I hope it's spoiled for her.
Speaker 2:Yeah, for me I don't think I had anything spoiled. You know, before all the seasons I read the book, and then season six, through eight seasons I read the book and then season six to eight, I think I made sure to watch the shows right away on sundays. You can't trust the internet nowadays if I don't watch a show.
Speaker 2:I don't even go online yeah that's why I watch the show, because I mean it's instantaneously. You see videos of people saying, oh, blah, blah, blah died. Oh, did you like this part? But I'm like bro it hasn't been five minutes since the show finished airing.
Speaker 2:Uh, so I can't really say that I got spoiled for anything. Uh, the one thing I think I got spoiled for house of the dragon, but I gotta look through what it was um for season two, which I knew was going to happen, but still, you want to see it firsthand, you don't want to be told um okay. So her next question is in your opinion, which actor's performance was the most underrated?
Speaker 1:slash slash deserved more recognition in the in game of thrones oh, I mean I'd say amelia clark because I have to and because I love her and I don't think that it's still like she. Like she, obviously there's more recognition and I don't think that she won an award for it, like that's all right. So I would say amelia clark and lena heady. I think that they both like lena heady definitely deserves more recognition for her performances.
Speaker 2:Cersei, I think lena, yeah, lena Hedy. I think we're all in agreement all the fandom that she gave the best one of the well top five three performances of the show. So I don't think she's underappreciated or underrated, but she does deserve more recognition that she didn't get.
Speaker 2:I don't even think she was maybe nominated a few times, but the fact that she didn't get, I mean she, I don't even think she was maybe nominated a few times, but the fact that she didn't win anything, uh is really. I mean, for the first few seasons, the last two seasons, it was pretty much her looking out the window drinking wine. Yeah well, she did masterfully, by the way, but still it's kind of got boring, uh. So I'm going to say her, and obviously you know you have um diana riggs with lena lady oh yeah, but everybody gives her her flowers.
Speaker 2:I mean she's not underrated, or you know yeah, I always recommend.
Speaker 1:I think I said I. Yeah, I think I said lena, he just because of, like the, the, she didn't get any awards for a performance that's them at.
Speaker 2:We all recognize her I think, uh, peter dinklage is the only actor who got an award, an emmy or any other roles. I'm also going to add um, charles dance I his portrayal of tywin lannister's I, I, you know, you know, you know, I. I'm tired of using the word great and incredible and stunning. I mean, we just covered that last scene of episode five of season three, which it's just, he's Tywin. It's scary.
Speaker 1:He is Tywin. Yeah, I think actually I'm going to say that someone is a bit underrated. I would say it might be Nicolae Coster-Waldau, because, see, we immediately run to praise the other dancers and not him. And I think in the last episode we saw, like how he could deliver a very strong performance, because in that bath scene that he had with Brienne, like I said that I'm glad that we got that scene and we got to see that from him, from the actor, rather than it being a flashback, because it gets to us more to see this Jaime that we know being so like broken yeah so he, he delivered that exceptionally, I think.
Speaker 1:So I would consider him to be underrated, to be honest, like within the fandom as well.
Speaker 2:Okay. Her last question is was there any parts of the series that you were able to predict the storyline of? This is probably talking about season seven and eight, which they reared from the books and they were just doing whole new show material and not relying on George.
Speaker 1:I don't remember which episode this was, because when Game of Thrones was airing week to week, I would be active on Instagram sharing my thoughts, my predictions for each episode, and I forgot which episode it was. I think it was in season 8? I'm not sure, but I kept my predictions for the episode, not even 24 hours before the episode. It was extremely accurate, tony. Every single thing that I wrote happened in that episode. I before the episode. It was extremely accurate, tony, like every single thing that I wrote happened in that episode. I forgot which one it was and I remember someone commenting like how on earth did you, did you get that the exact episode? And I was like, how did I? Did I do it? I don't know, but I did it.
Speaker 1:So it's, I think, one of the season eight episodes. Maybe season eight episode two, um, or one like one. One of the season eight episodes. Maybe season eight episode two, um, or one like one of the early season eight episodes. I think I don't think it was season seven. So maybe like jamie leaving cersei, but I predicted that, but I didn't predict him going back to her, you know. So yeah, I can't.
Speaker 1:That's about you.
Speaker 2:I don't think I can remember anything Me predicting or knowing the story. I guess I can remember one thing it's when the Night King becomes the Pole Vaulter and he throws, he kills. Who was it Viserion? He kills.
Speaker 1:Yeah, viserion yeah.
Speaker 2:And he becomes an ice dragon. I go well, there's how they're going to destroy the wall, and I kind of said that right after you see him. You know, revived at the water when they got the chains from the in the hardware store or wherever they got those chains from. So that's the one thing I can think of right now, of saying, well, they're going to use him to. You know, bring the wall down. That's going to be it for this special, special episode of our two-year anniversary. Minua, how do you feel that we're going into our third year? What do you want to see? What do you want us to? What do you see in the future? Do you see us, uh, hosting a red carpet?
Speaker 1:maybe, uh, I see us talking to the cast, talking to george one day, and I had this nightmare once of like george asking me so I'm gonna winner, you're gonna finish the book. So I, I see that's happening. Either that's happening I've been crying or him telling me like, oh, you're sorry if I only finished the book. So I'm like, yeah, so, uh, I see that's happening. I see, um, like I see us panicking a lot in our maybe third slash, fourth year, um, and like kind of going crazy over like the seven kingdoms and house of the dragon, season three. I think both of those things will kind of just put us in a whirlwind, if that makes sense, it'll keep us busy, it'll keep us in a very thronesy state of mind and we're going to be panicking about when to schedule, when to record. So I'm excited for year three and four of the podcast and more.
Speaker 2:What about you? Year three, uh, and four of the podcast, and more hopefully, yeah, think of. If you think about the schedule for house of the dragon, 2026 is season three. You know they're gonna take two, at least two years for season four, so that's already 2028, and you have the three seasons of, uh, night of the seven kingdoms, and I don't know if they're going to keep doing every two years. I hope not.
Speaker 2:So we're talking about at least five more years of expecting new material from this world, and then they also have all these other projects they're working on. So I don't even know when that's going to come out, hopefully in the future. So we're going to have endless things to talk about in this world, not just going back and revisiting um, old shows, which I love to do, by the way. Revisiting the episodes, going deep into them, like really, uh, analyzing them and dissecting each episode uh makes me appreciate the show more, I think. And, uh, like this season three so far has been so good, and I might be changing my answer about which season is my favorite once we get to the end of this and then, uh, we're probably gonna wait until season four, maybe until next year, because we want to do. We don't want to run out. You know what I mean. Like do all eight seasons.
Speaker 2:Right away. We'll really focus on the world and beyond and I'm excited for that. For our next episode we're going to be doing season three, episode six, the Climb. That's going to be an exciting episode to cover year anniversary episode of dancing with dragons. Huge thanks to everyone who submitted questions and has supported us on this journey, whether you've been with us since day one or you just joined the ride. We thank you and we're very grateful to follow the podcast on social media. Head over to instagram at dancing with underscore dragons. There you'll see some fun reels, some stories and any news related to song of lights and fire. We we hope you all have a wonderful day Until the next podcast, peace out.
