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Game of Thrones: S3 | EP1 "Valar Dohaeris"
For episode 61 of Dancing with Dragons, we unpack the significance of "Valar Dohaeris," the premiere of Season 3 of Game of Thrones. We explore how this episode reshapes character dynamics, introduces new alliances, and intensifies the stakes in Westeros.
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I Need to get back to the wall. It's a long March, we know what's out there. We have to make it, have to warn them, but before winter's done, everyone you've ever known will be dead.
Speaker 2:Welcome everyone to the 61st episode of Dancing with Dragons, the podcast where we dive deep into the world of A Song of Ice and Fire. Of Dancing with Dragons, the podcast where we dive deep into the world of A Song of Ice and Fire and its shows Game of Thrones, house of the Dragon and, in a few months, the Night of the Seven Kingdoms. Today, minhwa and I are kicking off season three with a thrilling premiere Valar Dohaeris. This episode is a whirlwind of reunions, new alliances and some of the most pivotal moments that shaped the course of the season. From Jon Snow's journey beyond the wall to the political games being played in King's Landing, there's no shortage of action and intrigue. So grab your swords, pour a glass of wine and let's break down all the key moments from this explosive return to Westeros.
Speaker 3:I love how you emphasize how this is such an important episode for Game of Thrones and how it shapes everything, because that was literally my exact thoughts watching it. I had so much fun seeing or watching this premiere unfold and like with each scene I just kept saying this is it? Like this is where everything changes. It wasn't like there's a before season three and an after season three, like how there was like a with an audience kind of meter, how there was like a before Ned Stark's death and after Ned Stark's death. I feel like that was just for us, the audience.
Speaker 3:Here's for the characters, that makes sense. Like this is their, their turning points. Do you know what I mean? Like it wasn't really ned, it was us for ned, but here it's for the characters, like this is where everything changes for them. I had so much fun watching it and a part of me which is that we recorded um, like right after I watched it, because when I watched it I was just in a full-on sassy mood and my notes are in all caps, without any very thorough analysis, I have to admit because I was just in that type of mood when I watched it, which just showed also how much fun I had with it like a different type of fun. Hopefully those sassy funny thoughts come back to me while we're recording, because I did have fun, as I said.
Speaker 2:So I did use my brand new surround sound watching this with the.
Speaker 2:Blu-ray, so it sounded really nice. Before we actually begin the show, minwan and I would like to take just a moment to talk about an unfortunate passing of one of our listeners. Now you heard us say her name many, many, many times the past year and a half Cosette Sweetman, also known as Sweetmama07, passed away on January 9th 2025. She is survived by her husband and her son. Let me just say that her name is Cosette, but she went by Cozy. She was actually our first non-Filmstagram friend, slash family member, who DM'd us and said that she loved the podcast, which is something that you know. We're recording here and we're talking to each other. We don't realize that people out there are listening.
Speaker 2:Let me just read the first message she sent us back in early 2023 when we first started, because it really like gave us a boost in confidence when we were just starting and it really warmed. I mean, it almost made me teary eyed, but here it goes. This is what she said. This is by far my favorite podcast currently. I love it. It's my favorite show, and to hear fresh perspectives as I, too, rewatch and reread it with you guys is so much fun. Thanks for you and the abracadabra and the banter between you guys. I'm a firm believer that if someone makes you smile, you should let them know how much they are appreciated.
Speaker 3:That was such a heartwarming first message to receive. I completely forgot that.
Speaker 2:Since I manage the IG page. She will send messages or DM us all the time and I can't tell you how many deep and intriguing conversations we had about just the overall Song of Ice and Fire and she was truly a super fan of the shows and the books and she was like you guys should talk about it. I always felt good because she would give us a weekly, weekly not like review.
Speaker 2:But she's like I love this and you know you guys are like, and she's talking about every single thing we're talking about. And a few months ago I noticed that she wasn't online and which was weird, because she would send messages and she posted quite a bit on our stories and she always shared our stuff. It was never failing, always, yeah, every single episode. She's sharing every single reel. So I noticed I said, well, maybe she's taking a break from social media and then after a month I go, wait a minute. So I kind of looked into her page and then I saw that her husband was like a tattoo artist and had his own page. So I sent him a message and I said, hey, um, we're just want to make sure everything's okay.
Speaker 2:We noticed that she's not posting and, uh, he did send back a message saying thank you for your concern and she's fine. I know it's something about family. So I didn't pry, I just wanted to, you know, kind of make sure that she was fine. So then back in December and January, I noticed again that she wasn't posting and so I said, well, maybe something with the family. Then he messaged me saying, hey, I don't know who I'm talking to Like is it Tony or Minwa? Can you send me a message? So when I went to his page I saw the GoFundMe thing and when I clicked it my heart just completely sank and saw that it was because she passed away and it just kind of felt like I never met her in person. But the way we spoke and talked it was like I lost a member of my family. You know what I mean.
Speaker 3:I know I mean.
Speaker 3:So it's just I know.
Speaker 3:I know I know I felt that way too, because you know you said that she was messaging you mainly through, like on the Dancing with Dragons Instagram page, so she knew that that was you, so she would send me stuff, too, on my account and she would always like respond to my stories, whether they were Game of Thrones or like a song, vice and fire related or not.
Speaker 3:Like she would.
Speaker 3:Just she was so curious and wanting to know more about everything that I posted, even if it had no relation to like anything that she was interested in. Like she she wanted to find out more about, like if I would post something related to my culture or just anything as, like she would just always spark up these very interesting conversations with me and you know I appreciated that there was someone that I could talk to about those things as well, that she, that's, appreciated what I was posting and, uh, you know that led to conversations too, and on dms, and that's why, like, my heart sank because you broke the news to me. You sent me a text telling me like what you just uh told our listeners and my heart sank when when you said that. I remember just being so shocked and so sad and I remember us discussing, like her being inactive on instagram so I had already felt a bit, I guess, like cautious or weird, thinking like oh where is she, you know, like I missed her on instagram and yeah you know, I really, really miss her.
Speaker 3:So yeah, it's such a sad loss and like her absence is really felt.
Speaker 2:It was felt like months ago yeah, she was like a supporter, a genuine supporter, of everybody, so many people that we know on filmstagram or or podcast. She's she listened to. You know the fellowship of the mic. She loved Shan's podcast On behalf of us. We just want to dedicate the rest of all our shows we ever record to her. And you know, sweet mama, may you rest in peace. So let's begin with our review of Vala Dohaeris. Let me tell you one thing really quick, manuel the last time we discussed or reviewed an episode of Game of Thrones was way back in December of 2023, so it feels like a long time.
Speaker 3:I can't believe that. I cannot believe it's been that long we've been promoting the season 3.
Speaker 2:I remember re-listening to a few episodes of last year and I said, oh, season 3 is coming soon and we talked about that and we got caught up with those pesky targaryens from house of the dragon. So we kind of pretty much the bulk of our episodes of last year was dedicated to to that. And actually, you know, speaking of targaryens, did you see the latest news about the spinoffs?
Speaker 3:I did.
Speaker 2:The spinoffs that will be about the yellowed hair beeps, and I'm quoting Robert Baratheon when he said that. So there was an article on Deadline talking about this big time HBO executive and she had some quotes about not just about the new spinoffs but also about a little preview of Duncan Egg.
Speaker 3:So Francesca Orsi, the EVP and head of drama at HBO, talked about Duncan Egg, first saying you're going to be so impressed by Peter Clafly and Dexter Saul Ansell as Duncan Egg, the two deeds, the source of brotherhood, the paternal nature between Duncan, this young man, so much so that we're already planning on how do we build this for the three seasons in total. We're not picking it up officially, but it's looking very good. We're looking at it as a holistic piece seasons two and three, because there's three novellas. Before I move on to the next quote, I don't know what to make of this when she says it's a holistic piece and that they don't know whether they're not picking it up officially. Like that, they don't know whether they're not picking it up officially. Like that feels. That's unclear. We know that there's going to be three seasons. What do you? What do you mean? Just feels, like, like feels like nothing.
Speaker 2:Sorry, she's the head of drama. She wants to build some drama there and say, oh we might not pick it up oh that's the last thing we need we'll wait for the ratings
Speaker 3:oh please, like, I hope not. Like you can't say that's going to be so exciting and then being like, but we don't know, like that just shows that you're not confident, Miss Head of Drama. Anyways, I'm going to be sassy, my sassy Minwa from the rewatch is making an appearance already, anyways. So she also gives a quote about the spinoff that you mentioned, saying we have other spinoffs that we're working on right now, one of which, which I won't get into, is very promising, and it is still the targaryen line. How do we feel about that?
Speaker 2:well, actually I'll tell you something. I put that story up on our ig stories and I put a poll up and the the options were yes give me more Targaryens or I like a break from the Targaryen storyline. And, believe it or not, we got over 140 responses to the poll and we had 63% that said they wanted more Targaryen storylines, which I thought was surprising. I thought it was going to be more like 50-50 or more towards let's take a break. Surprising. I thought it was going to be more like 50 50 or more towards let's take a break. And it's funny because in the last episode, or maybe, uh, when we did dunkin egg, you mentioned that you had some friends tell you that they wanted to take a break from targaryens and kind of have hbo branch out and focus on non-targaryen houses, which I wouldn't mind.
Speaker 2:A show of westeros even before the dragons crossed the narrow sea, you know, like hundreds and even thousands of years before you have. Before the conquest, you know, was filled with historical events like the age of heroes coming of the andos and something called the battle of the six kings, which is really interesting. Or they can do like nimeria's 10 000 ships. That has nothing. You know what I yeah they have so many options.
Speaker 2:But I think what HBO is like oh, those Targaryens, they're moneymakers. We need to. We need to figure out a way to keep going with them, and I mentioned that I don't want them to become like a Marvel or Star Wars, that they're just doing the same storyline over and over and over again. It's like, okay, we're gonna focus on another targaryen family. Okay, so who's the moron, who's the they don't like, who's the? Who's gonna be the auto high tower? Who's gonna be the renera? Here you know what I mean.
Speaker 3:Like let's focus on something different. As you said, it's gonna be like we've already seen that with with house, the dragon game of thrones, where people are like I think we mentioned this on the podcast too like oh otto is the taiwan of the shore, something like that yeah like it's, it's, and like a laris is varus or whatever, or his little finger, and it's like, okay, what if you just repeat the same like settings over and over again, like it's gonna get boring.
Speaker 3:You know what I can say I'm a big game of thrones fan, like I. Just I want to see something different, and I'm assuming that she means um agon's conquest, which I think everyone wants to see. But I think it's just going to be maybe the hardest to get right. So that's why I'm a bit like nervous about this, I should say because, like there are so many arguments for how it could work well, as like an anime or live action, but maybe a movie series or you know, like a long term series, like it's just there's just a lot of different ways that it could work or like not work. You know what I mean. Like it's going to be a very, very risky project. So I'm nervous about this, obviously, more than I would been for for house of the dragon or something like that.
Speaker 2:So let's jump into the episode of all on the high risk. I love the fact that we start with this phrase for an episode title. The season two finale was Valar Morghulis. They go hand in hand.
Speaker 3:Yes, and, just as a reminder, valar Morghulis is the high Valyrian saying that is originating from Braavos and is used commonly with like the faceless men. That's where I've seen. It's from Jaqen H'ghar, and Valar Morghulis is the first greeting, and it means all men must die. And then the answer, which is the title of this episode, is Valar Dohaeris, which is all men must serve. I think it's one of the most memorable, like quotes from the show. Like other than daniel must always pay his debts. Winter is coming, like this is. This is up there, and it's really cool, I have to say. Interestingly though, um, it's called father to hire us, but we don't see aria.
Speaker 2:That's all in this episode so the episode aired on march 31st 2013. It was written by daniel minahan and directed by david benio and DB Weiss our two favorite people in the whole world. Quickly, the storylines of Arya, bran, rickon, jaime and Brienne and House Greyjoy do not appear in this episode. This episode had scenes that took its time because we didn't jam-pack every single character into it. So I liked the part because we have three to four scenes that are more than five, six minutes, which is rare in a show. It's like everything is like one minute or two. We do have a couple of questions. Well, actually, one is one is a statement. It's from fellowship of the Mike Shan. She just wrote watch party. She really wants to do a watch party for when we do season three. We need to figure that out, shan. Somehow we'll do that in the future. The other question is from qkh187. He says love your podcast. What storyline for season three do you guys like the most? Well, I'll let you. I'll let you begin with that.
Speaker 3:I mean, there's, there's a lot I was gonna say like can you just guess whose character it's? Yeah, yeah, I mean I said see, I mean, can you guess it's uh, uh he loves the podcast.
Speaker 2:He knows it's, it's his daddy for you. Uh, yeah, this season it has a lot of little storylines. You know it's the for me. Yeah, I, I do like the jamie one because we see the change in him. We see the real, the real jamie um. And then you know what? I can't remember everything about season three, to be honest. I know you know we're gonna see rob and eight more episodes. You know I'm still dreading that ouch, uh.
Speaker 2:But then you have john and egret. You know they have their back and forth, you know little moments and but I think I'm gonna say jamie and, and then terry and terry, and it's just like what is it called when you're in the water and you're just surviving, trying not to drown? What is? That called yeah, like staying afloat staying afloat this whole season because he's so paranoid. And then we get to meet Olenna Tyrell. She kind of throws a wrench into everything. So that's going to be my answer.
Speaker 3:I think that Jaime and Olenna are also very good picks, but I have to pick danny, I have to.
Speaker 2:So yes, I can't wait. We have, uh, episode four. It's going to be a big one because it's just, oh, it's one of probably a top five moment of the show coming up. Yeah, uh, okay. So let's quickly um talk about the beginning, the episode which we heard in the first audio clip of this episode. The show begins where left off in season two, finale. Sam hears the three blast horns, which means white walkers or something is out there that's not human. Uh, we start with that and all of a sudden we see mormon, which we haven't seen him in a while, and he just shows up, kind of gives us a warning about.
Speaker 2:You know, we have to hurry up and tell everybody because everybody's gonna die yeah which they don't show up for another five seasons, but that's okay yep, yep, that's exactly I was gonna say.
Speaker 3:Like he says something that sounds so scary, he says something dire like like yeah, like uh, before winter's come, everyone you've ever known will be dead. I just kept in my notes, I just wrote like doodled a sad face and wrote um, this makes you feel thrilled and excited, but then you remember winter will come and go in the span of eight hours anyway, all right.
Speaker 2:So anyway, actually, why don't we actually start this review? Analysis breakdown of Valado Hyrus with your girl Daenerys.
Speaker 3:My girl. I was happy to start with her. Yes, let's get into it.
Speaker 2:We see her rocking that blue outfit on the ship, the most iconic outfit is the introduction to the most iconic costume of Daenerys Targaryen.
Speaker 3:Oh, I love it so much scene of Daenerys Targaryen.
Speaker 2:Oh, I love it so much. Uh, I did notice when the blu-ray, when she, the camera's facing her and you're facing the oceans behind her, you can see a little CGI there, like they're not on a ship.
Speaker 2:Um, I, you can see that, but hey, whatever, I'm just looking at her face. Uh, we see. We see the dragons are gradually getting bigger. The CGI on the dragons look good. So they took the money for the dragons and not the actual. So the ship is heading to Astapor and the ship, jorah, mentions that the dragons are getting bigger and she replies not fast enough, she needs an army. And her arrival to Astapor, for me, is the beginning of her wrestling with her moral compass and her desire for power. So I think she knows that in order to reclaim the throne, she needs a strong army, and the Unsullied are undeniably powerful and effective. However, you know she comes to understand that to lead in the way that reflects her value, she can't just simply buy and control people, as they are property.
Speaker 3:So I like the fact that we see her struggling with that seeing her kind of wrestle with the small dilemma is like when we actually see danny's character like form, because you know we've seen her like stand up for herself in seasons and two, but she's been in those seasons, I guess, trying her best. She's trying to prove herself and Jorah tells her something as well later on. He says you have a true character when you prove yourself strong. I'm just laughing because the only thing I wrote is shut up, because I just got so annoyed with Jorah on the episode and I wish that I had a mic recording all those moments with me, just like at while I was watching it, because he annoyed me. Um, and I'm not saying that I agree with him, I don't, because I think that she did that's why.
Speaker 2:That's why we need the watch party, so people can see you say shut up to people yes, yes, yes, one day we're gonna figure out how to do that watch party.
Speaker 3:You're gonna see that excitement come through, hopefully. Um, but it's true, like I, I think that, like she proved that she was capable of getting herself here already, like she's already strong for doing, for doing what she did and getting them on a ship, you know, leaving uh carth. Like she proved herself already, but, um, she's like shaping herself more, I guess, in this season, and that's why I love it, because you see who she is, instead of just like oh, some stronger who just stands up for herself. You know, like that's kind of like a an easy way that writers nowadays like to depict strong women it's just they without really forming them. Does that make sense? Like?
Speaker 3:yeah I think that this is when we see danny really make her own decisions and then that informs who she is and how she wants to live her life and how she wants to lead. And we see it with the unstudied decision in this episode that this is where it's like really really starts, you know. But I love that we actually see her struggle with like the morality of it and I think this is the argument you want to make by saying that maybe it's not so in line with her character to have a slave army. Is that where you want to go?
Speaker 2:because we had a brief conversation about that episode before not that she has, because we know that she will not treat them as that. Their past and how they were brought up and trained is something to look at and go. Hmm, do I want these types of people? Do I want to be associated with them?
Speaker 3:That's what I was trying to say as well yeah, and like I like that, we see that, we see that struggle, um. But I also think that you know, like I don't want to jump to the future episode, so I should just like pause here and then leave my thoughts for for the future. But yeah, um, because I'm gonna say, like when she makes the decision, like I'm gonna pause, we're gonna get there. So, yeah, I just I like that we see that struggle, because also shows that like she has the heart. She's not just this ruthless, mad person that just wants an army at any cost. That's not her, and this episode is proof of that.
Speaker 2:The fact that she's struggling with that decision.
Speaker 3:That's what I wanted to say.
Speaker 2:She's not twirling her mustache going. Good Well, that's what I like to hear.
Speaker 3:Yeah, good Well, that's what I like to hear? Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2:They yank. You know, for this Unsullied, their final test is that they yank a newborn from their mother's arms and kills them, which is insane. But let me mention another Unsullied training requirement. I'll say it, I'll just say that that wasn't mentioned in the show. Say it, I'll just say that that wasn't mentioned in the show. So the recruits raise a baby for a year before strangling it to death. It's so insane. Also unmentioned is that during their training, the Unsullied are given a potion to drink, known as the Wine of Courage, which gradually deadens their body's sensitivity to pain. So in the books it's stated that only one in three boys survive the years of training to become Ansali, while the TV series says that there's only one in four boys survive. Can you imagine that? Anyway, so we get our first first appearance of Missandei and she is the translator.
Speaker 3:Yeah, that's her first appearance. Oh my God, I don't know why I didn't clock that. Didn't we see her towards the end? No, I don't think we did. No, no, no.
Speaker 2:She's because she's the translator for, and a slave girl for what's his name.
Speaker 3:Oh yes, Krasnick. So whatever, the bald guy.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, the bald guy. Yeah, yeah. So that's her, uh, in in the book. She's only 10 years old wow so they aged her up, thankfully. Uh, so let's stick with danny and jorah. Uh, they have the last scene of the episode and then we have the return of a beloved character that said goodbye in such a boss way in season one. A man who was as honorable as Eddard Stark, and that is Sir Berenstain Selmy.
Speaker 3:I owe you my life, sir.
Speaker 2:The honor is mine, my queen.
Speaker 4:You know this man, I know him. He's one of the greatest fighters the Seven Kingdoms has ever seen and as the Lord Commander of Robert Baratheon's Kingsguard, king Robert, is dead, I've been searching for you, daenerys Stormborn, to ask your forgiveness. I was sworn to protect your family. I failed them. I am Barristan Selmy, king's Guard to your father. Allow me to join your Queen's Guard and I will not fail you again.
Speaker 2:I love when he says the nearest unborn, because you don't really, you don't really hear her being called that. A quick little tidbit about uh, sell me in the book. He doesn't reveal his identity to danny right away. Um, he adopts the alias Arsten Whitebeard, he grows a big white beard and what he is doing he is. He wants to assess Daenerys' character before committing himself to her. He doesn't just go and say I'm going to serve you, my queen, and blah, blah, blah.
Speaker 2:He kind of stands back helping, is she worthy of my loyalty? But they can't really do that. They're like straight away on the show. Uh, you know what I mean. So that's yeah there's no time for that. Uh, but actually he, when she says, um, you saved me is because they had that little bug creature attack and he kills it. Uh, do you know what that's called, that creature?
Speaker 3:No.
Speaker 2:I looked it up. That little creature is called a manticore.
Speaker 3:Okay.
Speaker 2:That sounds familiar. Yeah, a manticore's venom is extremely lethal and even a single sting is usually more than enough to kill a person. Extracted manticore venom is one of the most potent poisons used by the world's assassins. People coat the poison with the blades of weapons and just with a single scratch it will kill people. I thought that was funny.
Speaker 2:I was looking at it like no, it's funny that I found the name it was. I was just reading oh, that's the name of the bug. It's funny because you're creating this world and even the freaking bugs have a backstory. It has a whole page of just.
Speaker 3:George takes everything very seriously. I've been wanting to do an episode on this but he's also very specific about the anatomy of the dragons in his world and how it's so different than the anatomy of fictional other fictional dragons. They're all fictional, but you know what I mean. Like other dragons, so he's so specific. I love it.
Speaker 2:He has like a very specific vision in his mind and I I like that he shares his own with us all right, so we're gonna go from your favorite character to mine and we're gonna go across the sea to king's landing and we have tyrian, who is paranoid and he just thinks everybody. He has his door locked, he doesn't want nobody to come to his room. Cersei visits him and she's like what do you want? Because he realizes that you know it wasn't a rebel who's trying to kill him, it was. He knows his sister did something to to try to end his life. Uh, and it's just funny how, in this scene, cersei's like fishing, she's like being nosy, wanting to know what tyrian's agenda is, because he's meeting with his father, and she's like so what are you going to talk about? Anything?
Speaker 3:yeah, like this is my, like, my, my observation about this scene. It's that it's the first time we see Cersei like not the first time we see her acting in general, but towards Tyrion, the first time that we see her do that with Tyrion, and it's actually really funny to see.
Speaker 3:Like I mentioned, this, a couple of times in our podcast about how Game of Thrones can be like a comedy show at times, because we once you know these characters so well and you see things like in hindsight, they're actually really funny. So I found Cersei here just hilarious because she's like being fake nice to Tyrion and Tyrion's like what are you doing? Like I know that you hate me, you know that I hate you. Why are you fake smiling? Is it for the guards? Is it like why? Why is this going on? You know what I mean. Like I just.
Speaker 3:I found it funny.
Speaker 2:I found it a bit entertaining, especially to see Cersei that way, because she can't act like it's not lina heady. Cersei herself I mean lina heady is amazing. Braun shows up and you see uh samaran trant, you know kingsguard, and they kind of have a you know what a shoddy match there. But what I wanted to mention about that is that you see uh cersei leaving the room and then you have brawn there and yes, I want to mention this too it's the funny thing about that it's the only time in the whole series that cersei and braun appear in the same scene, the reason being uh.
Speaker 2:Prior to being cast, elena heady and jerome flynn, who plays braun, were in a relationship that ended on such bad terms that each had a clause inserted into their contracts that they were never to share scenes and must remain apart on set. Can you believe that? Can you imagine not liking someone so much? You're like I don't even want to see their face.
Speaker 3:I know, every time I remember this drama, I'm like what could have been like that, that bad. Do you know what I mean? Like, oh, but like. When I saw that they were like they shared the same frame, I was like, oh my God, like I forgot that this happened, because I was so like it was in my mind that these two never shared a scene. Like I forgot that there was even one where they just walked past each other.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's insane that there was even one where they just walked past each other. Yeah, that's insane. I think we're just going to go straight into the scene with tywin and tyrian, because we all know that tywin is a heartless, soulless son of a bitch. But I think in this scene he took it just to another level. And what his response to tyrian's request or, I guess, kind of a demand, because he says it's my right by right I should be the Lord of Casterly Rock, which is the ancestral home of the Lannisters. Anyway, tyrion's response is insane.
Speaker 5:We'll find you accommodations more suited to your name and as a reward for your accomplishments during the Battle of Blackwater Bay. And when the time is right, you will be given a position fit for your talents so that you can serve your family and protect our legacy. And if you serve faithfully, you will be rewarded with a suitable wife. And I would let myself be consumed by maggots before mocking the family name and making you heir to Casterly Rock. Why? Why? You ask that you, who killed your mother to come into the world?
Speaker 5:You are an ill-made, spiteful little creature Full of envy, lust and low cunning. Men's laws give you the right to bear my name and display my color, since I cannot prove that you are not mine, and to teach me humility that gods have condemned me to what you waddle about, wearing that proud lion that was my father's sigil and his father's before him. Proud lion, that was my father's sigil and his father's before him. But neither gods nor men will ever compel me to let you turn Casterly Rock into your whorehouse. Go now Speak. No more of your rights to Casterly Rock.
Speaker 2:Go Spiteful little creature. That's brutal. I cannot prove you're not mine, I have to see you, you who killed your mother.
Speaker 3:Are you joking? Yes, that's.
Speaker 2:And then I have to see you waddle about and you see, tyrion, he just takes it all. He knows what can he do?
Speaker 3:I just wanted to say you know how I said. I was in a sassy type of mood when I was watching this. I was also a bit emotional, so I did get emotional and it was one of those times where I was yelling at the screen and when he says something like I got you as a son so that I will be taught humility, to teach me humility. I wrote and I said well, did you learn your lesson? Like he did not.
Speaker 3:When Tyrion was born, he was, at least I guess, supposed to love him, and it's a mean thing to say, but you didn't learn humility and you didn't learn compassion. You didn't learn how to love someone. Even the lesson of humility is has not been learned. Do you know what I mean? Like nothing has been. There's no situation in which tywin, I guess, comes out as the good guy here, like and he's just this horrible person that would say something like that to his son. And I don't know like it sounds weird for me to say this, because people won't associate it with tywin, but like it's his hate and it's his resentment, but he's also just like playing the victim. Do you know what I mean? Like yeah, like no, you're making a victim out of your son. You're bullying him. You're bullying is not as an understatement as what I'm trying to say coming across, because I was so riled up yesterday when I was watching the scene. How could you be that bad of a person?
Speaker 2:I think it's hilarious that he and earlier in the scene the scene was like five minutes long, but he mocks tyrian because he wants to be rewarded for his courageous effort in the battle of blackwater and tywin has the nerve to say you think I demanded a garland of roses every time I suffered a wound in the battlefield. Joffrey made a grand spectacle and you made a grand spectacle going into the throne room with your horse so you can be anointed the hero of the battle yes like hello, that's you being rewarded and you know what I'm saying?
Speaker 3:like that, that's yeah. And like they wouldn't do that without an approval from tywin himself you know him. So it's like him accepting or like wanting the, the validation that he's shaming tyrian for wanting his wet.
Speaker 2:Like Ned, you don't, you wouldn't have. Ned would say I don't want that. That's a silly.
Speaker 3:Yeah, exactly, I think.
Speaker 2:Robert, maybe would want that, but not like Ned.
Speaker 3:Roberts. Roberts would want like days of of turn, tourneys and and parties and stuff like that, Like that's, that's Robert, but like Robert, but Tywin wants to be seen as the glorious, the great, the mighty.
Speaker 2:So you're shaming your son for wanting the exact same. Tywin is obsessed with legacy and power. He sees in Tyrion that he doesn't fit the mold of what a Lannister's son should be. To him, jaime's going to be there somehow. Jaime's the golden child who embodies all the qualities that Tywin values. You know, he's strong, he's good. So this monologue of ruthlessness and his emphasis on power and legacy and status, it's just weird. And Tyrion's frustration and his constant struggle, like you said, for recognition. But Tyrion's frustration and his constant struggle, like you said, for recognition. And I just think Tyrion's never felt any kind of affection from any family member, anybody close to him. His mother's died. If his mother had lived she would have loved Tyrion. The only one that kind of is Jaime at the end. But I'm sure they weren't like buddy-buddy growing up. He probably only got affection from his ladies that he visits.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and it's not real affection.
Speaker 2:It's real. But I mean he's paying for affection and that's probably why he goes to them so much. But yeah, just the outright contempt from Taiwan in this scene is it's incredible, it's heartbreaking, it's crushing. But my goodness, can charles dance act? Uh, okay, let's go from one player to another and I want to really talk about marjorie. She kind of steals the show, in my opinion, from not only the episode but from Cersei. We have a moment where Margaery and Joffrey are in the little what are they called? I don't know what they're called, like carriages that people are-.
Speaker 3:Carriage yeah.
Speaker 2:It stops and all of a sudden you see Margaery step out and they're like in the poorest of poor areas, in the flea bottom right. So she ends up visiting an orphan orphanage. What I wanted to say is ask you about her being so charitable is it genuine or is it just her playing the game? So here's my take. So I the marjorie's kindness, I think in this instance was sincere. When she visits the orphanage, she shows a natural, genuine compassion for the kids, like she takes time, she's interacting with them, she's listening to their stories she talks to one of the ladies from the orphanage and the concern about their well-being. And I think her interactions with the small folk reveal her ability to connect with people and she's showing empathy for their suffering, which is a stark, stark contrast to the cold and calculated behavior of, like, other people. And so it's kind of like a politician Right, however, is Marjorie's kindness in some degree just crafted political move.
Speaker 2:She understands that showing charity not only gains the affection and loyalty of the small folk, but also she, she's kind of positioning herself uh, she's a queen in making right. She's still not officially the queen, but she's there like she's on deck. She wants to be that symbol of compassion and leadership. And in flea bottom, because if she can win over the small folk and the commoners and the lowborns, that that's a lot. That's when the people really love you. Like, cersei wouldn't give two rats asses about feeding the hungry or visiting an orphanage, so I thought that was Margaery's official entering to play the Game of Thrones. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2:And I thought it was just a brilliant move on her part.
Speaker 3:It's funny that you said that you wanted my opinion on this, because I wanted your opinion on this, because, um, I wanted your opinion on it too, and that's exactly what I wrote in my notes, um, which is that I want to know if you think if marjorie's being sincere or not. After you know you shared your thoughts. I I I do agree with you. I think that it's partly sincere, partly not, because it's obviously a tactic, like it's obviously her playing the game of thrones, as you said, like her and the the tyrants doing so. That is definitely the majority of her intentions and why she's doing what she's doing.
Speaker 3:But I also think that she could be going about, she could be doing other things. You know what I mean. Like, she doesn't have to be doing this, yeah, but she's doing it because some parts of her recognizes that it's a need and at least that shows that she's not, as you said, like seriously, like this ice cold person that doesn't care about it at all, like someone like Cersei, maybe another type of character in the show that we'd get. They wouldn't care. You know, like the other ambitious characters in the show, someone like Littlefinger doesn't really care for helping the small folk in the way that Margaery does. But she, even though it's fake to some extent, she is making a difference and it is a good thing, even though the intentions aren't 100% pure. I don't think that I'd say that they're 100% bad either. That's just Marjorie to me.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and I think what it's really telling is when they have dinner. Joffrey Marjorie Loras and Cersei Margaery's like soft power, like she's very soft. I love it.
Speaker 2:Her empathy and she's gracious and it contrasts sharply with Cersei's like harder, like pessimistic, domineering approach. And it's so funny like approach and it's so funny like you can see the jealousy and cersei just get just deeper and deeper, like her resentment towards marjorie is just like getting to a boiling point. And it just reminds me of when you talked about the levity of the show in the prior podcast and and we're talking about funny moments for me this was so funny, even though it wasn't supposed to be funny. We can see in her face that she just would love to just tell off marjorie like oh, you're so such a phony, you're fake and blah, blah. You know. Like she's just saying all this and she she even made a little comment about her dress.
Speaker 3:Like yeah, that's what I was gonna say, like you know you're.
Speaker 2:She's basically saying you're exposing too much. You're like, you're dressed like a slut or something.
Speaker 3:That's what she's saying basically I think I mentioned earlier in this episode that it was the cersei with tyrian scene that I found funny. But actually this one, like I did laugh at cersei being fake to to tyrian but um, like this was the actual funny scene because, as you said, she did like throw that comment to Margaery and you could see it all in her eyes, like the hate that she has towards her and what she wants to say but can't. And what's so funny is you can see Margaery kind of saying that same like sly comment back. She tells her like and your dress, you know, queen Cersei? Or like I don't know your grace, I've never seen a dress with such method, like it's supposed to be offensive, and Cersei is like well, when you're queen, you understand that you need armor.
Speaker 3:Like it's so, like it's so funny and it's like real, because you know you can see people like talk like that in real life sometimes, but it's also just like so funny. I don't know.
Speaker 2:And then you have Joffrey Do you want to shawl my lady? And it's just funny because Cersei is a woman who's used to commanding attention and respect, but she does it through manipulation, control and fear. And Margaery, she uses the charm and the sweetness and she knows how to connect with people, especially with Joffrey, like she has joffrey wrapped around her little finger. And I mentioned to you before parts of the recording that if you only saw joffrey when he's with marjorie, you go wow, he's such a gentleman, he's so gracious, he's such well spoken, he's wow, he must be a great king to the people Only like this.
Speaker 2:When he's with Margaery and he always, he never fails to take Margaery's side. Every time his mother talks, he brings her down, like, oh, whatever, she's just old. And he just says, remember. He smashes like, oh, she's just getting old, and then he just brushes her off. And that just makes Cersei even more insane. She knows that she's losing the grip that she had on Joffrey, like it's going and she's not going to have that influence anymore on him because you have Margaery with her charm, she's just going to take over. And basically Cersei sees herself relegated to be like, okay, once queen, what am I gonna be. They're not gonna want me here anymore.
Speaker 2:They're gonna probably send me back to casterly rock, or you know what I'm saying, uh, so anyway, I just found this the whole scene with marjorie and then with cersei. I think it was just my whole favorite part of the episode. And it's gonna be fun because this is at the beginning. We're gonna see these two women like the rivalry between them is going to grow more and more and more.
Speaker 3:I can't wait.
Speaker 2:And the hatred that Cersei has for Margaery, is just going to keep building. And then Margaery just comes, mother, my queen, and it drives Cersei insane. You can see her eyes roll all the way back.
Speaker 3:I love it because she would never in her wildest dreams expected to have that. You'd have to deal with someone like that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and it's just so funny yeah because she could bully sansa and all that stuff. But she can't do anything to marjorie, like marjorie's, like teflon, to to cersei and speaking of sansa, um, she has a very brief scene in this episode.
Speaker 3:We see her talking to Shae by the boats, by the pier. They're playing a game, looking at the ships, and I think it's a bit of a sad scene seeing that, because she's looking at each passing ship and imagining a story for them. Like, oh, that one's probably going to Dorne, that one's probably going to this place. So it just shows you how lonely Sansa is and like that I don't know how what she does to pass the time. That's the only thing that she can do. But Liz's finger unfortunately appears and basically, like I think he's been hitting a hinting since last season I can't remember properly but like he's obviously telling her like, oh, we can run away together, I can get you out of here. But he drops a bomb. Actually he says I saw your mother and I saw your sister. So that brings up the question did he actually recognize Arya and Haran last season?
Speaker 2:you know what? I didn't even catch that yeah hmm, that's a good question, because I think he's such a schemer he would have said something yeah to Tywin, and to be more in favor with Tywin if maybe a little finger is saying I'm gonna stay shut, play this game and just have everybody involved I don't know if it's like a, because this isn't in the book, like, uh at all.
Speaker 3:You know what I mean. Like we mentioned this last season that the whole aria tywin thing, it's not from the books, it's a show creation. We mentioned how it's a very good addition to the show, but then this line makes me wonder, like, is it like kind of a plot hole? Because why would its finger really keep quiet? You know, like it's not in his nature, um, is it like a part of him trying to like, did he keep quiet because he wants to use as leverage with caitlin? You know what I mean. Like one day, if he was able to go back to her, like he that you know, like that's what I'm thinking like. My first instinct, though, was like, oh, he's lying, like he didn't recognize aria, he's just lying. But then I was like, oh wait, like what if he did?
Speaker 2:the one thing that um struck me is that and maybe I forgot because we haven't watched season two in a while is that now sansa is openly keen to the idea of leaving. Like I want, I want to go Before. She's like no, I have to stay. King's Landing's my home. Now she's like I want to get out of here.
Speaker 3:And there's something about Shay here that's really interesting to me we don't have to answer this now, but I do want to come back to it later on in our episodes which is that when she has a conversation with Roz, who is their company Nested Finger, roz tells her watch out for her. So she's telling Shay to watch out for Sansa, and then Shay says I always do, and then Roz says watch out for her with him. Like I know we've seen Shay and Sansa in season two, but I don't know. You know we know where Shay's arc is going and I want to just keep this in mind as we continue watching season three. I don't know if she Did she really care about Sansa. I don't know. I want to keep an eye on it. I think she does.
Speaker 2:I'm going to say, yes, I think that she probably notices the treatment that the Lannisters, minus Tyrion, give Sansa and she knows her backstory and all the tragedy that's happened and that will happen soon, and I think she's being sincere and I think that Shay has gone through probably worse stuff than hers. Doesn't want to see her go through that. So I want to say and I do like the fact that you know, I always, I always complain about Roz being in a scene, but I do like the little thing is like yeah, when Sansa was born, you know, the bells rung all day and winter fell, and so I was kind of a little tidbit there. Okay, let's move on to Sir Davos.
Speaker 2:Last time we saw him he was being blown out of a ship in Blackwater and we didn't kind of know what the heck was happening. We knew his son was dead because we could see him being engulfed with the wildfire. So we know he was dead. So he survives. He has blisters all over his face. He sees a ship, ship. He calls for help and the ship comes, a little boat, and luckily for him it was his friend, son of orsan uh, who rescues him. And I I like the actor from um, who plays solid, though he's actually in conclave and does a really good job oh, yeah, yeah, yeah he's really good.
Speaker 2:And it's funny because when I saw the movie I go oh that's. And that's the only time I've ever seen them, other than in game of thrones. Um, you know, sawdor gives him like a brief news brief on what is going on and he says, yeah, um, stannis is back in dragon stone licking his wounds and he doesn't see anybody, only the red woman, only the priest or whatever. So I do admire davos for trying to get back, but he's just sick and tired of melisandre. He just wants her gone. And it's kind of hard when he gets back to dragon stone. She's just right there sitting next to or standing next to stanis. And and this is when stanis gets annoying for me, because he's just like he's- always annoying yeah, but right now it's just like, oh, he's just sitting, he doesn't want it.
Speaker 2:He's always annoying, yeah, but right now it's just like, oh, he's just sitting there and goes. I'm not going to listen to you, I'm going to let my emissary here talk.
Speaker 3:I just want to say something about Davos being found and stuff. It just shows how horrible it was to serve Stannis. I know they probably thought that he exploded or whatever, but actually went looking for him or to see if there were any dead bodies and to bring them back to give them a proper burial. Like you know what I mean. Like there was no consideration. I can't like watching sanis like and seeing how he lets, as you said, like melisandre speak for him and everything. It just shows how weak he is as a leader and how a bad, how much of a bad leader he is. Like.
Speaker 3:How does this man have followers in the show and in real life? He's lame. He's such a bad character. I know you said in the books he's better, but oh my god, what's a horrible person to follow. Why? Why would you follow him? Willingly? Stronger leader wouldn't fall prey to what minnesota is saying. He would speak for himself rather than having minnesota speak for him, and and he would not imprison his most loyal advisor and he would go looking for him. He would care about him. This is the person that you want to follow, sorry.
Speaker 2:And then also, let's not forget that she is burning all the prisoners that she deems as traitors or not full supporters of her. Davos is kind of attached to the past way of thinking and doing things, or things that have always been done, and sadness is now like believes that anything necessary to succeed is okay. All right, let's go to back to heron hall, but you know tywin's not there anymore. We have, uh, rob stark, bolton and car stark arriving there and then they arrive to heron hall and see like 250 bodies just completely slaughtered. I gotta say rob looks good with that beard and that hair and he looks very kingly, dare I say majestic you're never gonna let me live.
Speaker 3:I said he looked majestic once Once. It's okay, it's the quote of our podcast. Robb Stark is majestic, and it's true. He's majestic. Go on, I stand by it.
Speaker 2:We get another mention of Kar Stark. You know his son was killed by Jaime. Catelyn sets him free and he's still pissed about that. He's like I was refused my justice. My boys are lying under the ground and Jamie Lannister's are free. Rob is noticing that more and more he sees his mother walking around. He notices the looks of soldiers are giving him because his mom is right there, Like, oh, yeah, your mom there. So he's just like, okay, find her a cell. But the biggest thing about this scene is that I completely forgot that we get our first appearance of.
Speaker 2:Kyburn. Same In season three. I go. What In my mind? I'm thinking season six.
Speaker 3:Yeah, season five, six, like yeah, I had no idea it was the third day as well. I completely forgot.
Speaker 2:So he must have been a maester for some house that was a bannerman to the Starks. I don't think he was. It's not the maester to the Starks, so I was trying to find where he was. I couldn't find it. But yeah, it was kind of odd to see him there, because I go God, this guy is going to go from almost being dead to cersei's right hand man when I saw him there I was like why are you here?
Speaker 3:uh, first of all, it's not your time. Second of all, what was like what led you to being in the rubble at tern hall? And like not rubble, but you know, like among the dead bodies at tern hall? So I looked into it and it literally says on like the wiki he is there for an unknown reason. So it's like okay, weird, but I guess let's move on like he's also, it doesn't say, doesn't say what house he's belonged to no, like all it.
Speaker 3:All it said was that, like he, you know his backstory of like he left the citadel and stuff. But it just says like, if you want the exact quote, give me a second. It just says for unknown reasons, kyburn ended. The exact quote, give me a second. It just says for unknown reasons, qyburn ended up among the Northern and Riverlander prisoners at Harrenhal when Sir Gregor Clegane abandons the castle and has all captives put to the sword. Qyburn, however, survives the injury at his throat and awakens when the castle is taken by the Northern army. So he's just there for unknown reasons.
Speaker 2:All right. So let's go beyond the wall and let's meet for the first time the king beyond the wall, mance Rayder, and John is introduced to him, and it's just kind of funny. There's a funny little moment where we see Tormund giant Spain and he's talking. John kneels to him and says your Grace, and it's just kind of funny.
Speaker 3:So funny kind of funny.
Speaker 2:It's funny in the books he doesn't do that. But it's kind of a little funny moment there that Mance just says we don't do that here. We don't kneel before anybody, everybody's kind of equal. I just I'm not their ruler or anything like that. When you read this chapter in the book, mance does recognize John right away. He goes oh, john Snow. Since twice Mance snuck into Winterfell and saw him in Winterfell. Remember he was there. He snuck into Winterfell when King Robert came and he was like one of the singers, because in the book he sings, did you not remember?
Speaker 3:that Wait, wait, wait, wait. No, I don't, and it's mentioned in book one.
Speaker 2:In the books it says the first time man saw John was when man visited Winterfell as a member of the Night's Watch and then saw John and Rob playing together as young boys in the castle. The second time man saw John is when man came to Winterfell as a singer during Robert's visit and took note of Ned Stark's six children with their direwolves. This is a good scene. The guy who plays Mance is a really good actor. I mean he can see that Jon's loyalty to the Night's Watch is there. So their conversation establishes Mance sort of he's not just a leader but of understands people and he knows how to manipulate them. So I mean it's clear that he's not just a conqueror, he's kind of he has a vision to bring all these people together and I think he tests john in a way is like no, why are you here for real?
Speaker 2:you know what I'm saying like yeah he tells him like three times, and then john has to give a academy award performance to basically keep his life.
Speaker 3:About that just as a reminder for our listeners. As a quick recap, john is their undercover, so it's like he deserves to and wants to join them.
Speaker 2:Just as a backstory. I just wanted to mention that again he's like an FBI agent going in.
Speaker 3:Yeah, double agent basically. Fbi agent going in. Yeah, yeah, double agent, basically. But what I wanted to say is that I think that, before Mance appears and like he's called out, basically I think for the first time in his life, like John is thankful for like the fact that he's an illegitimate child and that no one knows Ned is his dad, and like he's there and he's like, okay, I'm, I'm here as, like this just random john snow, like I have no name. They're going to believe me, you know what I mean. Like before the man calls me, he's like I'm so grateful that I don't have a last name. That's like a noble house. That's going to be more believable. Uh, my, my plan will work. It's going to be great.
Speaker 3:This is a clean slate, you know, because, like, who's gonna? Like? Just a random snow, you know, like he's. Like this is like why would there be any attention on me? Um, like no one, no one is gonna know the weight of ned stark being my dad and all of that. And then the second man, straighter, appears like you're, you're john snow. You're, you're ned stark's son. It's just so funny because, like you could see his face kind of drop and then that makes you think like, oh, he was happy that no one knew who he was. Like for the first time in his life he was so thankful that he was a snow. Um, I just thought that was funny. Um, because like he, he, he has no reason to like. Now he can just be kind of honest about who he is, but at the same time it's gonna be harder for him because he has to like come up with this lie.
Speaker 3:Like no one's gonna believe him if he says something about, like I don't know, honor or something you know, now that everybody knows that's associated with ned stark, he can't like he has to stay in that character while also being a double agent, and it's just it's.
Speaker 2:It makes it's harder for him yeah, it's gonna start because john is, his ultimate goal is to see how they live, see, learn what their their ultimate plan is to attack, you know, the night's watch. But then I think this is the beginning of his um, like internal struggle, because he's gonna see how these people live, how they they survive, and he's gonna start admiring them and like you know, these they're what they know.
Speaker 3:They're not wildlings, they're free folk yeah and uh, I just want to mention like a bit more about that scene. Um, you know, we talked about like man's questioning him as well, and I think that he he assumed that John wants to be. I think he said something like you want to be, like you're here to be, to be a hero, because you think that this is going to be like, wow, I'm a hero. I left the like this is another form of I don't know. Like maybe he thought that John was there to help save them or something like come out of it in some way as a hero. I just want to say that I don't think that man's is like too far off, because, though john is like a very noble character and he doesn't really like glory all the time, I think that he would value the success of this mission and coming out of it as as a hero. Do you know what I mean? Like he does like. That was, I think, part of his journey with his internal journey with Corrin Corrin mentioned to him something.
Speaker 3:It's a line that I really liked, but now I can't like remember his word for it. But he was saying something like don't just die just to die Cause. John was like oh, I'm ready to die whenever for the night's watch. Like yeah, just like, yeah, just kill me. And then corinne was like no value your life, so that when you die it means something.
Speaker 3:John is letting that sink in and he does want to die for something and he wants to be like a bit of a hero. Like I think that he does have that in him. It's just not the main reason. Like it's not, it's not the the whole truth, but it's not. Like it's still present. That that that's uh intention, I guess, from john. Yeah, and when john says like I want to fight for the side that's living, he's not lying. Like I think that when he's being sincere and saying that and he's like talking about the horrors that he's seen with craster and whatever, like he mance knows that he's telling the truth john remained honest he tells a story about craster giving his humble I mean his sons to the White Walkers, and how Mormont knew forever and never said anything.
Speaker 2:And that was reason enough to say I want to fight for the living. We are going to do some new segments for our recap and revisit of season three. We haven't finalized them yet, so we're going to do maybe one or two here and then we'll get better. For the next episodes. We're going to have maybe one or two here and then we'll get better. For the next episodes we're going to have something called scene of the episode. So, minwa, what was your favorite scene of this particular episode?
Speaker 3:Probably like a sad one, but it's the scene between Tyrion and Tywin. I choose that because maybe emotional, I have to say it towards the end, when Dany meets Ser Barristan, I found myself getting emotional too, just because I love her and I'm so happy for her and I'm rooting for her always, you know. So I did get emotional then too, and I like the scene of Cersei and Margaery, but I think I have to say Tyrion and Tywin is the most memorable, but it's a very powerful scene.
Speaker 2:I was going to pick the same, but let me just pick another one. That way we have two different ones. I'm going to do Marjorie and the dinner scene because I just find it hilarious. I just love the whole act of Marjorie, and not all acts, but I just love that. And in contrast to Cersei's just face being so annoyed by it and Joffrey's like oh, being such a gentleman, everything is just a perfect combination. Okay, what about the rating for Vala the Hiress?
Speaker 2:I think you're going to say I see it in your face, you're going to say 8.4?.
Speaker 3:No, I'm going to say 8.6.
Speaker 2:Okay, oh, wow, this is so far. I'm going to give this one, not a 9, because there's a lot of great episodes to come. I'm gonna do, probably closer 8.4. Nah, I'll do, I guess, 8.5. I really enjoyed this episode. I think it's really really structured well and it just kind of sets everything up going forward. You know, the next episode we'll see the rest of the cast. So that's going to be all for our review recap of episode one, season three of game of thrones. While they'll hire us, uh, our next podcast, we're going to be focusing on episode two of season three, called dark wings, dark words I can't wait to continue with our season three recap.
Speaker 3:we mentioned how this episode was like the start of everyone's journeys, like the pivotal. It's a pivotal season for so many of them and it's going to be really exciting and I hope you guys tune in, especially because in the next episode is the first time we meet Arlena Tyrell, so it's going to be a lot of fun.
Speaker 2:And, in the meantime, my queen everyone's queen.
Speaker 3:That sounded like a meme. Uh, like that. That's like everyone's queen we all sing anyways. If you know, you know um. But uh, in the meantime, be sure to follow us on instagram at dancing with underscore dragons, to stay up to date with the latest news from a song, vice fire, everything related to george's world, from his books to um, the shows and, of course, for any news on our podcast and to be informed of when our episode drops. And be sure to add, listen and download our episodes on your preferred listening platforms as well. So you don't miss a thing, and we'd really appreciate it if you give us a racing interview as well, if you get the chance. Thank you guys, so much for listening.
